A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

In 1917-1918, World War I, the Balfour Declaration allowed Jews to come home to Jerusalem from the 4 corners of the world. To the Jewish people this was certainly a Jubilee.

Fifty years later (Hebrew calendar) 1966-67, saw the "6-Day" war in Israel, allowing Israel to recapture Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. However, under UN pressure, Israel gave the Temple Mount back to the Arabs. Again, certainly a Jubilee.

Now, another 50 years from 1966-67 we have 2015-16. This 50 years begins on Sept. 14, 2015. If there was war in Israel, is it likely they would proceed to begin rebuilding the Temple on the Temple Mount? Under what scenario would Israel, if they had control of the Temple Mount, NOT begin rebuilding the temple?

It seems to me that in the entire world, something big is about to happen. It looks like it would a miracle for some global catastrophe NOT to happen.

Nell

Israel is the center of much of the prophecy.

If Balfour Declaration occurred during the 68th Jubilee ...

And Jerusalem became part of Israel on the 69th Jubilee ...

Will we then see the temple built on the 70th Jubliee?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Israel is the center of much of the prophecy.

If Balfour Declaration occurred during the 68th Jubilee ...

And Jerusalem became part of Israel on the 69th Jubilee ...

Will we then see the temple built on the 70th Jubliee?

Is correlation causation? Does God believe the earth is the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon, and stars whirl around and around it? Does God operate based upon the whirling celestial objects? If so, in a universe of hundreds of billion galaxies, why those just around the earth?

Is He waiting for a lunar eclipse to do something? The Jewish calendar came out of the Babylonia lunar year. It was not accurate and had to be adjusted from time to time to match the solar year.

Since the 16th century we no longer think the earth is the center of the universe. The church fought it. They could not stop thinking they were the center of everything. They burned at the stake over it.

And this blood moon thing is nothing more than our inability to let go of the idea that we are the center of everything; the lingering, hundreds of years later, of the church fighting against the earth not being the center of it all.

And our dear Jewish brother Cahn is still caught up in that kind of thinking.

Should our modern minds that know better embrace it?

Just askin'?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Is correlation causation? Does God believe the earth is the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon, and stars whirl around and around it? Does God operate based upon the whirling celestial objects? If so, in a universe of hundreds of billion galaxies, why those just around the earth?

Is He waiting for a lunar eclipse to do something? The Jewish calendar came out of the Babylonia lunar year. It was not accurate and had to be adjusted from time to time to match the solar year.

Since the 16th century we no longer think the earth is the center of the universe. The church fought it. They could not stop thinking they were the center of everything. They burned at the stake over it.

And this blood moon thing is nothing more than our inability to let go of the idea that we are the center of everything; the lingering, hundreds of years later, of the church fighting against the earth not being the center of it all.

And our dear Jewish brother Cahn is still caught up in that kind of thinking.

Should our modern minds that know better embrace it?

Just askin'?

Little obfuscation on my breakfast cereal?

Methinks you got things backwards. Then you throw in some papal nonsense from their dark ages.

God did not wait for the Star of Bethleham in order for Jesus to be born, rather He sovereignly arranged prophecy, world events, and the celestials in order to prepare and announce this most incredible event.

I never read Cahn's books so I really can't answer the rest of your questions.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I never read Cahn's books so I really can't answer the rest of your questions.

Then you have no need for a refund. At least you learned something from the local church.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Israel is the center of much of the prophecy.

If Balfour Declaration occurred during the 68th Jubilee ...

And Jerusalem became part of Israel on the 69th Jubilee ...

Will we then see the temple built on the 70th Jubliee?

Unknown.

What we're looking at is world history, especially since 1916. Overlay the Hebrew calendar on the secular calendar and there are some amazing patterns. This is history, and this is fact regardless of the calendar.

Based on the patterns, we look ahead and speculate on what might happen if the pattern/s continue into the future. No one saw this convergence before the last few years.

Others have called Cahn a prophet, but he doesn't call himself a prophet. He's a guy who saw the pattern/s and began to speak about it. Mainly, in the vein of what could happen if the pattern continued. He's a Messianic Rabbi who is fluent in Hebrew. He has a compelling case but has been much maligned on this forum based, not on fact, but on the ability to buy his books. His primary message has been lost, that being, nothing has to happen. You can't put God in a box. The 7-year cycles have not always marked significant events in history.

Why? Because in Leviticus, as long as the people observed the Sabbath of 7-years, they were blessed. When they abandoned the observance, eventually, they were judged.

For the US, things seemed to change in 1973 when the US Supreme Court legalized the murder of its unborn children. Since then an extimated 50,000 children have been murdered. You've seen recentlly the further desecration of unborn children by Planned Parenthood.

This summer the US Supreme Court abolished the "separation of church and state" by desecrating marriage as ordained by God.

There's more, but the point is, IMHO, whatever happens, or doesn't happen, in the 70th Jubilee year will be event driven. This is me believing that when God judges, it will be unmistakable about Who is doing the judging.

In 2001 and 2008 the worst stockmarket crashes occurred precisely 7 years apart on the Hebrew calendar on Elul 29. Elul 29 is the "Day of Nullification" or the biblical day when financial accounts are wiped away....something that certainly happens in a modern day stock market crash. The 7-year pattern is outlined in Leviticus. Although Sabbath/Shemitah was given to Israel only for observance, because of the pattern of 7 years throughout history, it can be considered prophetic. Prophetic not because it MUST HAPPEN, but because of current events and the deterioration of American society, and the pattern will likely continue. If not Sept. 13, 2015, then 7-years from now.

The Nation of Israel is on the verge of extinction, having been abandoned by its strongest ally, the United States and the Obama administration. They have been pushed about as far as possible without a military response. This could become the catalyst that would begin the rebuilding of the Temple. Nothing would surprise me.

Sorry. It took a long time to say "I don't know...maybe". I hope the explanation helps.

Nell

[awareness]

WOW Sis! You said a lot just to say "I don't know ... maybe." But that's the truth about predicting the future.

We like to think we've figured it out, and have put the prophecy puzzle pieces together to draw a picture, and see patterns. It's been attempted many times before, by many, who long ago thought the world had become so corrupt that God was coming soon to judge it. Many have provided exact dates -- only to be disappointed. In fact, in the case of William Miller it was and is even officially called 'The Great Disappointment.' But there has been many other cases in the past, and some, like Harold Camping, rather recently (he made $90 million).

One thing is certain, and I hate to keep pointing this out, but marketing and merchandising of Apocalypticism has paid off time and time again. And believers fall for it time and time again ... sadly. Surely, it has to make Jesus weep, to see he's being used for merchandising, scaring the sheep, and the resulting deceptions.

So I have to wonder: Is this just another case in a long line of apocalyptic flim-flams?

You admit you don't know. Thanks for your honesty. Even Cahn admits he may be wrong, and nothing may happen. I certainly don't know, either way, either outcome.

I guess we'll see within a month. I'll pop some corn on the night of the final blood moon. But it won't be as scary as back when they wrote of the blood moon in the Bible, now that we know the natural causes of it ... and what makes it look like blood ... that they had no clue of.

[Nell]

Sooooo...Dude. How much money did you spend on Cahn's books and DVD's??????

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Sooooo...Dude. How much money did you spend on Cahn's books and DVD's??????

Nell

It seems that some categorically reject any and all prophecy just because there have been false prophets.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It seems that some categorically reject any and all prophecy just because there have been false prophets.

It also seems that mockery is the standard response.

Nell

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by awareness

And why are we so obsessed with the Jesus killers?

"Jesus killers"? Really Harold?
Read your Bible Harold, it will not only do you some spiritual good, it will straighten out your twisted historical perspective as well.

For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. (John 10:17,18)

Yes, from our limited, ignorant and fallen human perspective, the Jews "killed the Author of life" (Acts 3:15), however, from God's standpoint (the only one that counts) "The Lamb of God" was sacrificed for our redemption from eternal damnation.

As for the rest of the political stuff you posted. NOT WELCOMED HERE ON THE MAIN FORUM. As soon as you find out that Jonathan Cahn or his followers (or Nee/Lee and followers) are bashing Indian babies against the rocks you're welcome to come back and pop off about stuff that happened 200-500 years ago.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

Sooooo...Dude. How much money did you spend on Cahn's books and DVD's??????

Nell

There's lot's of free videos, so let's just say I have no refund coming. My favorite video was him speaking at the Presidential Inaugural Prayer Breakfast. I passed it on to others. I love when he breaks out in tongues, with the band in crescendo ... great theatrics ... a Rabbi speaking in tongues ... WOW!

A tetrad of Lunar Eclipses has been going on long before Jews walked the earth. Why are they now related to the Jews? Isn't Cahn possibly just being Jew-centric; cuz he's a Jew with a big ego (kind of obvious)? And forget Hagee, he's got the Jerusalem syndrome. Both are making lots of money ; selling the apocalypse.

Concerning America becoming so corrupt that God's coming to judge it:
America has in the past been much more corrupt. Like when Christians, so to speak, were slaughtering the Indians. Killing is much worse than gays getting married. And even abortion is not as corrupt as systematized genocide -- and slavery -- of a race of people. That's right up there with Hitler gassing 6 million Jews. By comparison I'd say we're not as corrupt as we use to be.

America was not founded on Christian principles, unless it was dark ages kind of Christian principles. It was founded on corruption.

Christopher Columbus started it when he bashed Indian babies against the rocks. And Ben Franklin, a self-proclaimed deist, called them, "Christian White Savages," who "carried the Bible in one hand and the hatchet in the other" to scalp Indians with.

America's history has been much more corrupt than it is today. Where was God's judgement then? Why now? Because we're the center of the universe?

And why are we so obsessed with the Jesus killers?

[Ohio]

I came across this sobering article today ...

Quote:
In front of the United Nations General Assembly, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not only stare for forty seconds into the eyes of the world’s representatives, charging them of having kept silent in the face of Iran’s promise to destroy Israel. Netanyahu also pulled out a book in Farsi (language of Iran). The author is the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and he writes that “within 25 years there will be no more Israel”.

There is a date recurring obsessively in the proclamations of the leaders of the Arab-Islamic world: 2022. It is the year that they have reserved for the end of Israel. “By 2022, possibly earlier, Israel will be destroyed” has just said Hassan Rahimpour Azghadi of Iran’s Supreme Council for the Revolution, the right arm of Khamenei.

A year ago, Hamas Interior Minister Fathi Hamad said that the Palestinian Arabs will liberate all of Palestine “within eight years”. So - in 2022. Last May, in an interview on Lebanese channel Nbn TV, the imam of the mosque of Al Quds in Sidon, Maher Hamoud, said that “according to calculations based on the Koran the end of Israel will be in 2022”. Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, shared the same vision.

Another Iranian book, published earlier this year and based on the occult sciences, interpretation of the Koran and mathematical calculations, says Israel will be destroyed in 2022.

Recently, the Islamic State published a book stating that “the beginning of the end of Israel will be in 2022”, two years after the fall of Rome, the symbol of Christianity. “In 2022 the fourty years of peace and security of Israel will be over”. The key text of this Islamic hallucination is entitled “The collapse of the Israeli empire in 2022” and is written by a Palestinian Arab scholar, Bassam Nihad Jarrar. The book, published in Arabic in 1990, was translated into English and widely distributed in Malaysia. Since then, it is a bestseller in the Arab-Islamic world.

A date, that of 2022, which has almost become a legend. A Syrian journalist interviewed by the television of the Palestinian Authority said he was aware of a report that the CIA had informed then US president Bill Clinton that Israel would not exist after 2022.


According to Daniel's prophecy, should the last week of years begin very soon, then Armageddon would occur in 2022. Within these past few days, the third intifada may have begun over rumors spread concerning Mooslim holy places in Jerusalem. The US recently did nothing when Coptics were slaughtered in Libya, Yazidis in Iraq, Sunnis in Syria, Ukraine invaded, etc. Iran and Russia watched our inaction in unbelief, and have thus acted aggressively in the vacuum. They know that Israel is now on her own.