The Psalms are the word of Christ

PSRP means?

[aron]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

PSRP means?

PSRP means "Pray-read", "Study", "Recite", "Prophesy". It was a "move", maybe early '90s I don't remember. First you were supposed to "exercise your spirit" by repeatedly shouting the words. That's pray-reading. Then you study what WL said the words mean spiritually. Then you recite "bullet points", or snippets of "the ministry". Then you go to a LC meeting and "prophesy", or speak the WL ministry bullet points back to the crowd. If you did that repeatedly you would supposedly both "gain Christ" and "build up the Body".

I've mentioned this before, but maybe it's worth telling again. I went to the LSM website a couple or 3 years ago and looked at the music section. They had CDs of people singing WL's message outlines. I kid you not. They had musical Bible verses from Philippians and Colossians. They had hymns. And at the top, the web page had Paul's exhortation to sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. But they didn't have any Psalms available.

Many of the Psalms that made it into the LC movement meetings were musically arranged outside the LC, in dreaded "Christianity", and I suspect that WL & Blended Minions couldn't openly acknowledge that the Spirit of God could do anything there. So he had to pan the Psalms, and not encourage singing them. Too low, he said, we should stick with the NT. But Paul, in the NT, had repeatedly said to sing them!

So instead we got PSRP, and WL became the ultimate redactor of the Bible, saving us from the "uninterpreted word".

[InOmnibusCaritas]

Originally Posted by aron

PSRP means "Pray-read", "Study", "Recite", "Prophesy". It was a "move", maybe early '90s I don't remember. First you were supposed to "exercise your spirit" by repeatedly shouting the words. That's pray-reading. Then you study what WL said the words mean spiritually. Then you recite "bullet points", or snippets of "the ministry". Then you go to a LC meeting and "prophesy", or speak the WL ministry bullet points back to the crowd. If you did that repeatedly you would supposedly both "gain Christ" and "build up the Body".

That's how you were taught on PSRP? The way it was taught to me is:

Pray-read a verse: The way we all know how pray-read actually works although that may not have been the original design -- I'll talk about it in a different thread.

Study: Footnotes! What else? =D

Recite: Memorise the verse

Prophecy: Tell others about it.

Originally Posted by aron

I've mentioned this before, but maybe it's worth telling again. I went to the LSM website a couple or 3 years ago and looked at the music section. They had CDs of people singing WL's message outlines. I kid you not. They had musical Bible verses from Philippians and Colossians. They had hymns. And at the top, the web page had Paul's exhortation to sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. But they didn't have any Psalms available.

Many of the Psalms that made it into the LC movement meetings were musically arranged outside the LC, in dreaded "Christianity", and I suspect that WL & Blended Minions couldn't openly acknowledge that the Spirit of God could do anything there. So he had to pan the Psalms, and not encourage singing them. Too low, he said, we should stick with the NT. But Paul, in the NT, had repeatedly said to sing them!

So instead we got PSRP, and WL became the ultimate redactor of the Bible, saving us from the "uninterpreted word".

"Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs" probably just meant "all kinds of songs".

In the context of Eph. 5 and its sister verse of Col. 3:16, there is some rift between the Jews and the Gentiles (as always). Speak/Sing to one another using psalms (mizmur - Jewish), hymns (hymnos - Greek), and spiritual songs (either mizmur or hymnos or whatever else is fine).

I had to write a paper on this last year and scoured as much journal/commentary material about it as I can find and ended up favouring this one. The others are just too artificially complicated and don't seem to fit the context as much.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by InOmnibusCaritas

That's how you were taught on PSRP? The way it was taught to me is:

Pray-read a verse: The way we all know how pray-read actually works although that may not have been the original design -- I'll talk about it in a different thread.

Study: Footnotes! What else? =D

Recite: Memorise the verse

Prophecy: Tell others about it.

Initially PSRP was NOT for scripture, but for training outlines.

[InOmnibusCaritas]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Initially PSRP was NOT for scripture, but for training outlines.

Ah, I'm not surprised. Although I only used PSRP on scripture.

[aron]

Originally Posted by InOmnibusCaritas

"Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs" probably just meant "all kinds of songs".

Yes, I agree. But "all kinds of songs" undoubtedly included psalms as well. I don't think that Paul was either imposing or excluding anything here. WL looked right at this word and excluded Psalms. On the LSM website they had music CDs based on Song of Songs, on Isaiah, on Jeremiah, etc, etc, but no Psalms. Pretty strange, to say the least.

Back in the day, when the Jesus Movement(s) were happening, there were also "all kinds of songs" springing up. Not just in the LCs either; some of the burgeoning CCM efforts made it into the LCs. Here I'm thinking specifically of scriptural songs, and psalms in particular. For example, a man named Keith Green wrote a song based on Psalm 51: "Create in me a clean heart". It was very popular in Christianity, and in the LCs as well. There were a lot of others, some of whom I later tracked down. They weren't from LC people; they were from the Baptists and "free groups" but their songs became popular in the Lord's recovery movement. The music was getting sung, re-recorded, and passed around.

Can you imagine the consternation that this caused, to the control freak WL? Don't you think that this affected his interpretative abilities? Certainly there's correlation; perhaps we can't prove causation but we can suspect it. I believe that he felt the need to suppress this word because otherwise through it, these "outside forces" would have a door into his precious movement. So he created a "low word" and "high word" metric and used that to drive a wedge into the text, which enabled him to cut off anything deemed unfit for public consumption, including scripture itself.

So in Psalm 34, for example, he could say, "Natural, natural, natural" and then come to the verse saying, "not one of His bones shall be broken" and say "Revelation!", then it was right back to "Natural, natural, natural". And so forth... the whole body of the text got treated thus.

[InOmnibusCaritas]

Originally Posted by aron

Back in the day, when the Jesus Movement(s) were happening, there were also "all kinds of songs" springing up. Not just in the LCs either; some of the burgeoning CCM efforts made it into the LCs. Here I'm thinking specifically of scriptural songs, and psalms in particular. For example, a man named Keith Green wrote a song based on Psalm 51: "Create in me a clean heart". It was very popular in Christianity, and in the LCs as well. There were a lot of others, some of whom I later tracked down. They weren't from LC people; they were from the Baptists and "free groups" but their songs became popular in the Lord's recovery movement. The music was getting sung, re-recorded, and passed around.

The interesting thing about this is that I was taught Keith Green's Psalm 51 song by my youth serving one. I just assumed that it was written by Howard Higashi because we were big on Higashi at that time. My youth serving one has since been elevated as a "co-worker".

Only much later did I discover that it was written by "Christianity". The funny thing is that I'm currently teaching this song to the youths I am pastoring at the Methodist church here.

Originally Posted by aron

Can you imagine the consternation that this caused, to the control freak WL? Don't you think that this affected his interpretative abilities? Certainly there's correlation; perhaps we can't prove causation but we can suspect it. I believe that he felt the need to suppress this word because otherwise through it, these "outside forces" would have a door into his precious movement. So he created a "low word" and "high word" metric and used that to drive a wedge into the text, which enabled him to cut off anything deemed unfit for public consumption, including scripture itself.

So in Psalm 34, for example, he could say, "Natural, natural, natural" and then come to the verse saying, "not one of His bones shall be broken" and say "Revelation!", then it was right back to "Natural, natural, natural". And so forth... the whole body of the text got treated thus.

I do think WL has a low view of most of the Psalms but to be fair I don't think he totally shuns songs from Psalms. When Ron Kangas came to Malaysia, he taught us to sing Hymn 1336, "What shall I give unto the Lord", based on Psalm 116:12-13 (https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/1336).

I don't think WL's low view of many Psalms stem from his fear of CCM songs. I think he simply couldn't reconcile these Psalms with God's economy.

'I think he simply couldn't reconcile these Psalms with God's economy.'
Exact.

[aron]

Originally Posted by InOmnibusCaritas

I don't think WL's low view of many Psalms stem from his fear of CCM songs. I think he simply couldn't reconcile these Psalms with God's economy.

Perhaps. I only observe that once WN put pen to paper and composed hymns, no "outside" songs made it into Little Flock/LC meetings, until these. And none after.

[InOmnibusCaritas]

Originally Posted by aron

Perhaps. I only observe that once WN put pen to paper and composed hymns, no "outside" songs made it into Little Flock/LC meetings, until these. And none after.

With the death of WL, it is probably close to impossible to issue a new hymn book or an updated RcV. Nobody has the authority to be MotA any more since the Blendeds proclaimed "Brother We". Barring external input, stagnation is the only course.