Coming Back to the Vision at the Beginning of the Lord's Recovery

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Yes, "being one" with a very small group. While being separated and apart from 99.99% (literally) of global Christianity.

If you read Paul's fellowship with Corinth about oneness and blending, you will discover that Paul never had in mind oneness with a publishing house, oneness with the workers, or oneness with headquarters in Jerusalem ... but oneness with "a very small group," i.e. the brothers and sisters surrounding us.

We were indoctrinated to be one with Witness Lee, even though we could not be one with the brother next to us.

[Cal]

I think we owe Steve the respect of spending some time talking about the contents of his book.

Although his book is basically a reprint of things we've read before, and could do with more editing, Steve is to be commended for collecting this information and attempting to get it before the eyes of the public.

This is less a book than a loosely connected collection of anecdotes regarding the history of the demise of LC movement. Non-LCers might be confused by the references, ideas and jargon, and even scratch their heads about the point of the book. But Steve never meant this as a history for general reading. His goal is to rally LCers to demand the accountability which he hopes will restore God's blessing to the movement and return it to its glory days.

Whether or not God is actually interested in such a restoration is anyone's guess. However, the accountability and transparency, not to mention repentance, that Steve longs for would be a good prescription for any Christian group, the LC especially.

But regardless, this book should be read by anyone with an interest in the history of the LC movement in the USA before 1990. The testimony and recollections of Don Rutledge alone are fascinating and worth the price of the book. Having been in the church in Austin and having known the people Don talks about, reading the book brought back memories and added background and insight to my experiences. I hope all those brothers and sisters have found peace and purpose after those oftentimes foolish days of our youth.

Originally Posted by Terry

A non-response is the same as a yes.

Following the principle that Terry has set forth, Indiana’s non-response to my inquiry concerning whether or not he used brother Don's writing without obtaining his express permission would indicate that the answer is "yes". Therefore, unless Indiana says otherwise, it is reasonable to assume that he did publish Rutledge’s writing without express permission (and, incidentally, is profiting from it). I find that quite troubling and somewhat share UntoHim's concern for Indiana's Christian testimony.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Following the principle that Terry has set forth, Indiana’s non-response to my inquiry concerning whether or not he used brother Don's writing without obtaining his express permission would indicate that the answer is "yes". Therefore, unless Indiana says otherwise, it is reasonable to assume that he did publish Rutledge’s writing without express permission (and, incidentally, is profiting from it). I find that quite troubling and somewhat share UntoHim's concern for Indiana's Christian testimony.

Except that Indiana and Don are in touch with each other, or have been in the past. Prolly, and I can call Indiana to confirm it, if you like.

[rayliotta]

Does Indiana care to discuss his book with us?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Does Indiana care to discuss his book with us?

Usually not. Neither does Nigel Tomes.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Usually not. Neither does Nigel Tomes.

And where's bro Don? Hope he's doing well. Lord bless our brother, and his family.

[Indiana]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Indiana’s non-response to my inquiry concerning whether or not he used brother Don's writing without obtaining his express permission would indicate that the answer is "yes". Therefore, unless Indiana says otherwise, it is reasonable to assume that he did publish Rutledge’s writing without express permission (and, incidentally, is profiting from it). I find that quite troubling and somewhat share UntoHim's concern for Indiana's Christian testimony.

Hello unregistered,

Are you with DCP or LSM?

[UntoHim]

Unregistered Guest, while you are in no way obligated to answer Indiana's last inquiry here, I hope that you will consider my invitation to register for membership, and thus make an easier way for you to continue on the dialog with Indiana and others here on the forum.

Thanks for your consideration.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Unregistered Guest, while you are in no way obligated to answer Indiana's last inquiry here, I hope that you will consider my invitation to register for membership, and thus make an easier way for you to continue on the dialog with Indiana and others here on the forum.

Thanks for your consideration.

Yes bro Unregistered Guest, WELCOME! But please gird up yer loins, join, come out in the open, and stand face to face with us, in the light of day. We promise to treat you respect and civility, no matter your official affiliation, if any. Again I say WELCOME ... and hope to hear more from you.

[Indiana]

AMAZON http://www.amazon.com/Rosemead-Rebel...mead+rebellion


In October 1984, brother Witness Lee introduced the "new way" to "the local churches", which featured him and his ministry. By 1986 Living Stream Ministry went into high gear to establish, essentially, "ministry churches" , creating division, the first division supposedly occurring in the church in Rosemead, CA. The actual cause of division, however, is strikingly different then officially reported in The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion - a book of total distortion of the facts leading the churches into division. The facts found in The Rosemead Rebellion present a clear portrayal of how division in that locality occurred and that it was a microcosm of how division has occurred ever since in the new way's 25-year history. (2009, when this was written, marked the 25-year point.)

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http://twoturmoils.com/RosemeadRebellion.PDF