A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Nell

Awareness---this is not good. Maybe you think you're being "cute", but you're not. Lots of people are reading your posts and you've put yourself in the position of possibly causing God's children to stumble. You don't want that millstone around your neck. (Matt. 18:6)

Matthew 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

Why don't you give us a testimony of your faith? Your love for the Father, your acceptance of Jesus as your Savior, and your belief that the Bible is God's word...all of it? This will help all of us, because at this point, I don't know where you stand.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Nell

Does awareness' faith need to follow what you believe his faith should be? Awareness is warning you, "don't follow Cahn". Awareness is a prophet who is steeped in scripture. Just because he is concerned about the book Revelation should not be a reflection of his lack of faith but more a reflection of his concern with those who would be distracted by the book since it may not have been written by John and should not be included in the canon and accepted blindly. Remember you may very well have your "words" supporting "Cahn" become accountable to God as well if every word we speak is being monitored by God. Maybe God is perusing these forums, if so, I wish He would make an entry just to let us know. Maybe He has, as a "Guest" (what's his IP). Or maybe you are the Voice of God?

I don't pretend to know God in the way you do. Job 11:7-9 Can you find out the deep things of God? Can you find the limit of the Almighty? It is higher than heaven--what can you do? Deeper than Sheol---what can you know? Its measure is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Dave

Does awareness' faith need to follow what you believe his faith should be?

No. We all need to follow what the BIBLE says regarding our faith.

Originally Posted by Dave

Awareness is warning you, "don't follow Cahn".

Thank you. I appreciate the warning from all, and I am warned. I believe this is healthy. I'm continuing to research.

Originally Posted by Dave

Awareness is a prophet who is steeped in scripture. Just because he is concerned about the book Revelation should not be a reflection of his lack of faith but more a reflection of his concern with those who would be distracted by the book since it may not have been written by John and should not be included in the canon and accepted blindly.

Awareness has gone far beyond expressing his "concern" about the book of Revelation. If you all are going to judge me by my words, can we not apply the same standard to all? I'm not questioning Awareness' faith as much as I'm asking for a clarification of what it is. I believe this is scriptural.

What you call "accept blindly" I call "accept by faith."

I will be happy to provide my profession of faith if you all would care to read it.

Originally Posted by Dave

Remember you may very well have your "words" supporting "Cahn" become accountable to God as well if every word we speak is being monitored by God.

No "maybe" to it. My words are accountable.

I've tried to present that my "support" for Cahn is not for Cahn himself but for his message...to the extent that it is biblical.

Maybe I haven't done a good job of making that point, because it keeps being coming back at me as blindly supporting Cahn. That is not the case. I apologize that I cannot present this fact in a clear way that you all would stop accusing me of something that I do not believe.

At least I've actually read Cahn. Perhaps you folks are blindly rejecting his message without having read it. Is that possible?

Originally Posted by Dave

Maybe God is perusing these forums, if so, I wish He would make an entry just to let us know. Maybe He has, as a "Guest" (what's his IP). Or maybe you are the Voice of God?

I understand that this is your mockery of me. Does God speak through His people or not? Is God speaking in the rantings of Awareness? After all that Awareness has posted against a book of the Bible, I don't believe it's out of line to request a testimony of faith.

It was a request which was made with respect.

Nell

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Nell

No. We all need to follow what the BIBLE says regarding our faith.

Thank you. I appreciate the warning from all, and I am warned. I believe this is healthy. I'm continuing to research.

Awareness has gone far beyond expressing his "concern" about the book of Revelation. If you all are going to judge me by my words, can we not apply the same standard to all? I'm not questioning Awareness' faith as much as I'm asking for a clarification of what it is. I believe this is scriptural.

What you call "accept blindly" I call "accept by faith."

I will be happy to provide my profession of faith if you all would care to read it.

No "maybe" to it. My words are accountable.

I've tried to present that my "support" for Cahn is not for Cahn himself but for his message...to the extent that it is biblical.

Maybe I haven't done a good job of making that point, because it keeps being coming back at me as blindly supporting Cahn. That is not the case. I apologize that I cannot present this fact in a clear way that you all would stop accusing me of something that I do not believe.

At least I've actually read Cahn. Perhaps you folks are blindly rejecting his message without having read it. Is that possible?

I understand that this is your mockery of me. Does God speak through His people or not? Is God speaking in the rantings of Awareness? After all that Awareness has posted against a book of the Bible, I don't believe it's out of line to request a testimony of faith.
It was a request which was made with respect.
Nell

Nell
I respect what you have to say and your arguments are often well made and you sound reasonable. My concern is that we start creating a litmus test regarding our posts by challenging what we each believe whether it is for awareness, myself or others. Were not we all followers of WL? We are on this forum sharing our experiences and concerns as a result of what we discovered.

I never intended to mock you but I was just making a point and you make them all the time. Of course He speaks through people but we had that problem with WL...we all thought he was God's Oracle----we followed him and where did that lead us. I guess that is my point...I believe it is good to challenge some things because we need to tread carefully lest we fall into the same trap again. Let's listen to awareness because he was a true believer of WL who tests the scriptures (I Thess 5:21 ... test everything Acts 17:11 examine scriptures every day to see if they are true) awareness is testing everyday and so are you.

[bearbear]

I feel like I just witnessed Matthew 7:6 re: what CMW shared.

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

Nevertheless thanks for sharing CMW, that was pretty awesome and your revelations are always welcome with me.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Dave

Nell
I respect what you have to say and your arguments are often well made and you sound reasonable. My concern is that we start creating a litmus test regarding our posts by challenging what we each believe whether it is for awareness, myself or others. Were not we all followers of WL? We are on this forum sharing our experiences and concerns as a result of what we discovered.

Dave,
I understand what you're saying. However, I believe there is a baseline for Christians, of which first is the infallibility of the Bible.

We were followers of WL. Not anymore. No more "oracles". I won't accept Awareness as an "oracle" either. He gets to have an opinion, but his rantings are not authoritative and need to be challenged.

Originally Posted by Dave

I never intended to mock you but I was just making a point and you make them all the time. Of course He speaks through people but we had that problem with WL...we all thought he was God's Oracle----we followed him and where did that lead us. I guess that is my point...I believe it is good to challenge some things because we need to tread carefully lest we fall into the same trap again. Let's listen to awareness because he was a true believer of WL who tests the scriptures (I Thess 5:21 ... test everything Acts 17:11 examine scriptures every day to see if they are true) awareness is testing everyday and so are you.

When someone challenges the authority of the Bible, they leave themselves open to challenges at the most fundamental level.

Witness Lee tossed out the book of James. If I'm not mistaken, he tossed out Psalms too. No one challenged him. We know how that went. When Awareness falls into this same trap, it's time to blow the whistle. The fact is, the Bible was canonized. It's a done deal.

If I said the things Awareness has said, I would hope that someone would challenge me by asking for a testimony of my faith.

Honestly, my testimony of God's love for me and saving me eternally, as well as rescuing me from the Local Church is my greatest joy. I'm grateful and happy to sing His praises to the world. When I was really young, I sang a little song with my Bible School class. The words were: "Into my heart...into my heart...come into my heart Lord Jesus..." I had sung that song many times, but one day, He did it. He accepted MY invitation. I invited Him in, and in He came.

Pretty awesome, huh? It's my favorite story. I love it. The God of the universe responded when a little bitty kid invited Him into her heart. What a God we have!


Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

When I was really young, I sang a little song with my Bible School class. The words were: "Into my heart...into my heart...come into my heart Lord Jesus..." I had sung that song many times, but one day, He did it. He accepted MY invitation. I invited Him in, and in He came.

Pretty awesome, huh? It's my favorite story. I love it. The God of the universe responded when a little bitty kid invited Him into her heart. What a God we have!

Thanks, Nell.

I think our first experience of God may always be our best.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Nell

Dave,
I understand what you're saying. However, I believe there is a baseline for Christians, of which first is the infallibility of the Bible.
Nell

Which Bible? You know that the original manuscripts were written in Greek? The KJV is not the original Bible. Neither are the following versions: NSRV; NET; RSV; EV; etc. Are each one of them infallible? Some of them leave out verses from the KJV because they discovered that they were not in older manuscripts e.g. 1 John 5:7-8. These verses are well known to have been inserted by scribes. So, which Bible is infallible? We don't have any original manuscripts so what we have are Bibles which have been translated from copies of copies of copies etc. I don't disagree with you I just want to know which Bible is infallible from your perspective.

Originally Posted by Nell

We were followers of WL. Not anymore. No more "oracles". I won't accept Awareness as an "oracle" either. He gets to have an opinion, but his rantings are not authoritative and need to be challenged.
Nell

Can't we just call awareness a "disturbed oracle"? In that way he keeps his "Oracle robe" which I understand he wears quite frequently.

BTW Nell, thanks for responding and I do appreciate your perspective!

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Dave

Which Bible?

Trick question? THE Bible. There's only one Bible.

Originally Posted by Dave

You know that the original manuscripts were written in Greek? The KJV is not the original Bible. Neither are the following versions: NSRV; NET; RSV; EV; etc. Are each one of them infallible? Some of them leave out verses from the KJV because they discovered that they were not in older manuscripts e.g. 1 John 5:7-8. These verses are well known to have been inserted by scribes. So, which Bible is infallible? We don't have any original manuscripts so what we have are Bibles which have been translated from copies of copies of copies etc. I don't disagree with you I just want to know which Bible is infallible from your perspective.

Yeah...I heard about the original language and translations too, but thanks for the update. Regardless, there's only one Bible.

Originally Posted by Dave

Can't we just call awareness a "disturbed oracle"? In that way he keeps his "Oracle robe" which I understand he wears quite frequently.

BTW Nell, thanks for responding and I do appreciate your perspective!

WL was a disturbed oracle, so I guess we can include Awareness in that club. I'm having trouble with "Awareness the prophet" though.

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

It was a request which was made with respect.

Nell

And it deserves a respectful answer. Which I plan on presenting when I get the time.

Thanks Nell.

And OBiWan deserves a response too.

Thanks to him as well.