How much is a "Morning Revival"?

[HERn]

Hello Unregistered. I would like to make a comment on "breaking the bond" and "watching Jesus carefully" as mentioned by bro Aron. I have benefitted greatly by reading the gospels without anyone's footnotes (LSM, others) and just learning about Jesus afresh. I think I need a "freshening" (maybe continually). Sometimes in the Lord's Recovery the thinking is to go beyond the "low gospel" (I hate that term now), the Jesus in the gospels into so-called high peak things like the seven-fold intensified spirit, the processed and consummated god...how can we go on beyond our precious Lord and savior Jesus Christ? To me there is nothing beyond Him.

[aron]

Originally Posted by HERn

... so-called high peak things like the seven-fold intensified spirit, the processed and consummated god...how can we go on beyond our precious Lord and savior Jesus Christ? To me there is nothing beyond Him.

You may find, after leaving the Lord's Recovery, that God is much more "intensified", more "processed", and more "consummated" than you ever dreamed possible! The LSM folks tell you that's impossible. But I'm saying its possible. I'm not saying it is certain, like Lee saying that as long as you stay on the "ground" you're sanctified. But I'm saying it's possible. But first you have to be willing to let go of what you think you know.

Think of it this way: for the prodigal son to get the robe and ring and fatted calf he had to let go of the pig sty. Not easy to do; he was probably clinging to it, white-knuckled and snarling, when he came to his senses. But when he let go, and turned, and began to seek, a new reality opened for him.

What I find so interesting about the parable of the prodigal son is that he "remembered" reality, just like Nebuchadnezzar had done; suddenly he remembered his Father, and the house where he belonged. But until he remembered, the pig trough was his home. Reality was there the whole time. But he had to remember, and look up.

LSM folks don't seem to offer much but re-packaged Lee, combined with constantly reinforced warnings not to look around, not to look up, not to let go, not to consider, not to question. Supposedly terror and doom await you if you look away from the brotherhood of Lee's ministry. Why are they so terrified of anyone reading the Bible without Lee's voice in their ear? Or of reading someone else's interpretation?

Originally Posted by HERn

Sometimes in the Lord's Recovery the thinking is to go beyond the "low gospel" (I hate that term now), the Jesus in the gospels into so-called high peak things like the seven-fold intensified spirit, the processed and consummated god...how can we go on beyond our precious Lord and savior Jesus Christ? To me there is nothing beyond Him.

Indeed, I need to come to God and pray to Him, knowing that He loves me dearly. Semi-mandatory speaking in the meeting really shuts me off completely. It is probably my own problem. However, I quite like some pastors' talks about God's love on the youtube. I wish that someday this website can add on some video/audio messages. I'd love to hear brother Aron's talks about how God loves all of us and our Jesus is the way in our daily life.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Indeed, I need to come to God and pray to Him, knowing that He loves me dearly. Semi-mandatory speaking in the meeting really shuts me off completely. It is probably my own problem. However, I quite like some pastors' talks about God's love on the youtube. I wish that someday this website can add on some video/audio messages. I'd love to hear brother Aron's talks about how God loves all of us and our Jesus is the way in our daily life.

Hee..hee Aron ! Make a you tube for everyone!!! Trust the Holy Spirit to guide and anoint you !!!!!!!!!

[Freedom]

During the "prophesying" time, I rarely pay attention to what's going on. I also don't participate ever. Somehow I have been able to get away with it for some time now.

The point was brought up that the HWFMR is very "needy". I can attest to that. In fact, most of the sharing I hear on it is all about how lacking a person is or how many problems they have. It gets really old really fast.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be concerned with everyone's needs, but all too often in the LC we hear about everyone's needs and shortcomings and there is no way forward.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Freedom

During the "prophesying" time, I rarely pay attention to what's going on. I also don't participate ever. Somehow I have been able to get away with it for some time now.

The point was brought up that the HWFMR is very "needy". I can attest to that. In fact, most of the sharing I hear on it is all about how lacking a person is or how many problems they have. It gets really old really fast.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be concerned with everyone's needs, but all too often in the LC we hear about everyone's needs and shortcomings and there is no way forward.

Well..that explains why the couple of people I stayed in touch with from the Lc were abnormally and unbearably needy! We all have our UPS and downs and while we need friends we should rely on our Savior first and foremost!

[Eph]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Hee..hee Aron ! Make a you tube for everyone!!! Trust the Holy Spirit to guide and anoint you !!!!!!!!!

Yes, please, Aron. I am sincere as well as Carol. Just by knowing a little about how God loves me through His only Son helps someone like me. I don't have the gift to speak about Him publicly, but I do believe some of you on the forum have a gift to share with many of us about how God loves us in our daily life.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Eph

Yes, please, Aron. I am sincere as well as Carol. Just by knowing a little about how God loves me through His only Son helps someone like me. I don't have the gift to speak about Him publicly, but I do believe some of you on the forum have a gift to share with many of us about how God loves us in our daily life.

Thank you for the invitation but I must demur*. I'm not qualified to give lessons. Besides, this is the internet, a virtual world, so I don't really buy deeply into it. I just post here occasionally because I like to write; I don't want to become a preacher who has to churn our a sermon every Sunday morning. But I will leave you with a couple of ideas to consider.

1. What you do to others, God will do to you. Believe me, how you treat "the least of these my brothers" is how God will treat you. Over and over this message is given in the gospels. The parables say the same thing, 15 different ways. Even the so-called "Lord's prayer" has this formula, with commentary even (!).

"Forgive us, even as we forgive others". What you do to others is what God will do to you.

In the LSM system, they will give a college Freshman a ride to the airport at 2 am because they expect a return on their investment. But an old lady? "Don't waste your time" is the FTTA directive. Instead, "Go after the good building material." But the Lord Jesus said to invite those who have no means to repay you. The LSM system only wants to "invest" in those who promise them a good return.

If you feel poor, weak, sick, or lost, think about this: there is someone near you even poorer, sicker, weaker, and more lost than you are. Tell them God loves them. Tell them about Jesus who came here because their Father in heaven loves them, and wants them to come home. Tell them, because it is true. And as you begin to help others, God will begin to help you. If you want to be blessed, then figure out how to be a blessing to others; believe me, God is watching you, and waiting for you to take a few small steps of faith. If "Help me" is your only prayer, God can't do much. If you pray, "God, use me to help others" you will be blessed beyond your capacity, beyond what you could possibly imagine.

2. DO NOT MAKE PLANS. I cannot overstress this. Do not tell the Holy Spirit what it should do, or how and when it should do it. Only the Father's will is done on earth, as it is in heaven. The Father knows everything. The Holy Spirit will never obey you; it only obeys the Father. You and I know nothing. All we are supposed to know is A) repent, and B) believe into the Lord Jesus Christ**. This is the path of salvation. Don't add your ideas to the pathway. They will perish and you will suffer loss.

I would remind you that 74 people went up onto the holy mountain, and saw God, and ate and drank, and God did not strike them. God invited them up there for lunch. They saw the pavement of sapphire. They saw the seven spirits burning before the throne.***

But only 72 made it down. Two of them made plans, and lit a fire. Bad move. Only seven flames are permitted to burn before the throne, not eight. The scriptural record then says "fire came out from before the throne and consumed them". Those seven flames are very jealous. Don't try to add another, of your own making. They are like the flaming swords in Genesis, turning each way; they will never let you get back to the Father. Only Jesus is qualified to walk among the seven golden lampstands. Everyone else will be consumed. Don't try it. Just watch Jesus. Watch Him carefully. He shows us the way.

Just watch Jesus. Never take your eyes off of Him. Then you will have a very rich entrance into the kingdom. Peter told us this, and Peter was a big failure, like you and me. So be encouraged, and press on. Don't ever give up. Those who endure to the end will be saved. We have the promise. Believe it and keep going.


*Demur = show reluctance

** The disciples asked, "Lord, what work should we do, that we may work the works of God?" The Lord Jesus replied, "Believe into Him whom God has sent".

***So I surmise, as Moses apparently built the "Menorah" according to what he saw on the mountain. See John's commentary in the book of Revelation

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by aron

"Forgive us, even as we forgive others". What you do to others is what God will do to you.

Reminds me of the topic at hand between me and a friend of mine: FORGIVENESS AND MERCY. We had a great conversation on those two words: Forgiveness and Mercy. Forgive as God has forgiven us. Extend Mercy as GOD has given us Mercy.

If you feel poor, weak, sick, or lost, think about this: there is someone near you even poorer, sicker, weaker, and more lost than you are. Tell them God loves them.

Tell yourself that too ! Start Thanking God for loving you, for having mercy on you, for forgiving you. Thank Him for the beautiful day, for making you smile. The more you thank Him, the more He will show you how blessed you are. As you feel your spirit come alive, Praise Him for His Goodness.
Thanksgiving, Praise and Worship are essential keys that will 'resurrect' you. Then people will say "Wow! Look what great things GOD has done for you!" The Great things are the LIGHT, the LOVE, the JOY of the Lord in you. Let not your heart be troubled. Believe that Jesus came that you would have Life and have it more abundantly until it overflows...it isn't only ETERNAL Life...but an Abundant Life..spiritual, emotional..physical..and even financial on this earth while we await to hear the Shout, the Voice of the Archangel and the TRUMPET of GOD.

I speak from experience.

If you want to be blessed, then figure out how to be a blessing to others; believe me, God is watching you, and waiting for you to take a few small steps of faith. If "Help me" is your only prayer, God can't do much. If you pray, "God, use me to help others" you will be blessed beyond your capacity, beyond what you could possibly imagine.

YES!! READ AND SPEAK FAITH (HEBREWS 11)

Do not tell the Holy Spirit what it should do, or how and when it should do it.

HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT AN IT. HE IS A REAL PERSON. A PERSON CANNOT GRIEVE AN 'IT'. BUT A PERSON CAN GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE ARE COMMANDED NOT TO GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

My story on talking to the Holy Spirit: In the early days of my time in the LC..we sang about the "Life Giving Spirit in us". But we chanted "O LORD JESUS". As far back as I could remember...even before my commitment to the Lord, I loved Jesus. But as I drifted away from the LORD, He became a distant memory. One day I heard a still small VOICE tell me "call on JESUS".

While I didn't know it was Satan who didn't want me to call on the NAME OF MY SAVIOR, I didn't want to go through a 'middleman' to get to ALMIGHTY GOD.

That VOICE that kept telling me to say 'JESUS' was GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. He was leading me to Lord and King Jesus.

So... soon I get really hammered and saved in the LC during the 70s.. I learned I had a spirit, soul and body. That my spirit was different from my soul. Fine and dandy..but I did not know the difference...did any of us??

Anyway...we know the LC story 'O LORD JESUS' until it became an empty and meaningless mantra.

Fast forward after leaving the LC, I continued to pray with a pure heart.. Lord Jesus,__________. My prayer life was always directed to Lord Jesus. Not only because that is how I was taught to pray in the LC but because that STILL SMALL VOICE (Holy Spirit) told me to call on the NAME OF JESUS.

Fast forward even more.... I begin attending church... just to get the LC memory and junk out of my head. While they did pray in the Name of Jesus and now and then actually addressed "Lord Jesus", most of the time they addressed the Father and Holy Spirit.

It troubled me. I did not understand as I knew Jesus said no man can come to the Father but by Him. I also knew FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT was living in me. Now and then I would pray "Our Father Who are in Heaven..."
So I addressed Father God. But I never EVER addressed God the Holy Spirit.

I never spoke directly to Holy Spirit God. I began to learn more about the Function of The Holy Spirit.. GOD IS SPIRIT (HOLY SPIRIT) AND They that worship HIM (GOD) must WORSHIP HIM in S/spirit and Truth. Jesus is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life. He is also SPIRIT. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER. HE IS THE VOICE THAT LEADS US IN ALL TRUTH.

Anyway......... one evening, I began to speak to God as HOLY SPIRIT. I felt like I did when I first got saved and began talking to Jesus. "Holy Spirit' I said, "I know You are GOD but I have never addressed You. I don't know what I am supposed to say to You. I don't know YOU. I know the Lord Jesus and am acquainted with Father God but not YOU Holy Spirit." And thus my journey began. I feel complete or almost complete knowing the Trinity intimately. I am still working on getting to know Father GOD. I know that by knowing the Son and the Holy Spirit, I KNOW FATHER GOD. But I don't address Him directly as much. I should...and am working on getting to know Him more intimately. Just remember. Holy Spirit IS GOD...NOT an it.

I would remind you that 74 people went up onto the holy mountain, and saw God, and ate and drank, and God did not strike them. God invited them up there for lunch. They saw the pavement of sapphire. They saw the seven spirits burning before the throne.***

But only 72 made it down. Two of them made plans, and lit a fire. Bad move. Only seven flames are permitted to burn before the throne, not eight. The scriptural record then says "fire came out from before the throne and consumed them". Those seven flames are very jealous. Don't try to add another, of your own making. They are like the flaming swords in Genesis, turning each way; they will never let you get back to the Father. Only Jesus is qualified to walk among the seven golden lampstands. Everyone else will be consumed. Don't try it. Just watch Jesus. Watch Him carefully. He shows us the way.

Just watch Jesus. Never take your eyes off of Him.

LOVE YOUR COMMENTARY ARON!!! WOWSEE !! WOWSEE! THANK YOU!

LOVE YA!
Carol

[awareness]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Start Thanking God for loving you, for having mercy on you, for forgiving you. Thank Him for the beautiful day, for making you smile.

And thank Him for CountMeWorthy on LCD.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Eph

Yes, please, Aron. I am sincere as well as Carol. Just by knowing a little about how God loves me through His only Son helps someone like me. I don't have the gift to speak about Him publicly, but I do believe some of you on the forum have a gift to share with many of us about how God loves us in our daily life.

But then aron will no longer be anon.

[Eph]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But then aron will no longer be anon.

I hear you, Ohio

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But then aron will no longer be anon.

I would put it another way: there is no aron, no Ohio, no Witness Lee, and no Church of Witness Lee (aka the Lord's Recovery, the Local Church, the Living Stream Ministry, Christians on Campus, or any of a dozen or twenty names that they hide behind).

There is only God, and God's Christ, Jesus, who is the one and only way to the Father. Nothing else exists.

The Local Church has been distracted by Other Things, like "the ground" and "the ministry" and "the building" and "God's Oracle", etc.

Here, I am nobody and nothing and I prefer to keep it that way. The more we consider aron, or anything or anyone else for that matter, the more we risk distraction, confusion, and despair. Don't bother. Jesus is the way home to the Father. The Holy Spirit will never come to you in any other name.

And when you touch the Holy Spirit, you touch the flame burning before the throne. It is quite incredible. What should I give that up for?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by aron

I would put it another way: there is no aron, no Ohio, no Witness Lee, and no Church of Witness Lee (aka the Lord's Recovery, the Local Church, the Living Stream Ministry, Christians on Campus, or any of a dozen or twenty names that they hide behind).

There is only God, and God's Christ, Jesus, who is the one and only way to the Father. Nothing else exists.

The Local Church has been distracted by Other Things, like "the ground" and "the ministry" and "the building" and "God's Oracle", etc.

Here, I am nobody and nothing and I prefer to keep it that way. The more we consider aron, or anything or anyone else for that matter, the more we risk distraction, confusion, and despair. Don't bother. Jesus is the way home to the Father. The Holy Spirit will never come to you in any other name.

And when you touch the Holy Spirit, you touch the flame burning before the throne. It is quite incredible. What should I give that up for?

BRAVO !! BRAVO !!

LOVE YA ARON!