Our Journey to Elden in Jan 1971

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hope also testified that Elden Hall grew stale, and thus Lee needed a new start in Anaheim.

I don't remember the details now. I wonder if Don was commenting from his own observation or from the word he and/or other edlers got from Lee in those early elders meetings.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

I don't remember the details now. I wonder if Don was commenting from his own observation or from the word he and/or other edlers got from Lee in those early elders meetings.

In his account, Don Rutledge wrote this ...

Life Ebbs at Elden

An interesting thing occurred in Elden hall which now was one of four halls in Los Angeles. Witness Lee and John Ingalls had stayed there. Up until then, many had equated the blessing on Elden with having the ministry of Witness Lee and to a lesser extent the ministry of John Ingalls. By early 1973 I began to hear of the staleness and flatness of the Elden hall church meetings. I visited there and frankly most of the new churches were much more on fire and lively in Christ than Elden was. Elden still had the ministry, but it was clear the blessing was not there. I heard Witness Lee state on many occasions that he needed to leave Elden, and that the Lord needed a new start with his ministry.

Eventually in 1974, Elden Hall was given up. The remaining saints in Elden moved to the city of Rosemead, and Witness Lee, John Ingalls, Max Rapaport and a few hundred others moved to Anaheim.

Anaheim never prospered and was a continual hole into which people and money were poured with no increase and no blessing. The Daystar experience was a great frustration to the move of the Spirit. In 1975, we were having a conference in Dallas. Before the meetings, we would pray in the large home on our property and then would walk across the parking lot to the large new hall we had just built. One evening I was walking with Brother Lee. He stopped, turned to me and then put his arm around my shoulder. (Never before and never since have I seen him embrace a brother. Thus, I realized he was about to tell me something very serious. He told me that he had made a terrible mistake with Daystar. He said that if he saw Brother Nee he would not know what to say since Brother Nee had warned him not to mix the church with financial matters or business. He then told me that he had once told Watchman Nee that he was not following him (Watchman Nee), but rather was following the truth and vision that Brother Nee taught. Furthermore, that he (Witness Lee) would not follow Watchman Nee if Brother Nee left the vision, but he (Brother Lee) would continue to follow the vision. He then looked me straight in the eye and charged me, “Brother Don, if I leave the vision do not follow me, but follow the vision.” I was a little speechless but I did manage to return the embrace and assure Brother Lee that I would remain true to the vision and the truth.

Daystar

Starting around 1972, Witness Lee expressed a concern for the financial suffering of the migrating saints and their need to be able to purchase proper meeting places. I was in a meeting of visiting elders and co-workers in which he introduced the Daystar business. He shared that his son Timothy had approached him about a business and that the business seemed to Witness Lee to be ideal for us (the local churches). The brothers and sisters could invest money, earn a nice profit of around 35%, and generate significant profit for the support of the new churches. He then spoke of manufacturing only the finest product. We could produce the product in Taiwan, which would help the believers there with employment and sell the product in the USA. He spoke at length concerning how the members of the churches should only invest their surplus and that he felt very positive that this was of the Lord. The business consisted of manufacturing and selling an expensive motor home. This was certainly a very different meeting than anything I had ever attended. I and others left with our heads spinning. I was bothered and asked James Barber what was going on. He replied that Witness Lee was God’s anointed and I should be very careful about criticizing. He declared that even if Witness Lee was wrong, God would bless the endeavor.

Shortly after this meeting, Witness Lee was scheduled to come to Houston for a conference in late 1972. I planned to attend. By that time I had left teaching for a sales job. The night before the conference I had a dream. I was sitting in the living room of Ben McPherson in Houston with Witness Lee. The other brothers in the room were very clear to me, as was where they were sitting. Suddenly, Witness Lee turned to me and said he wanted me to work for him in Daystar. In the dream, the Lord made it very clear I was not to take the offer. The next night there we all were, sitting in exactly the right seats. Witness Lee turned to me and offered me a job. Thank the Lord for the warning. I never worked for Daystar and never invested a dime.

[Elden1971]

Originally Posted by Ohio

In his account, Don Rutledge wrote this ...

Eventually in 1974, Elden Hall was given up. The remaining saints in Elden moved to the city of Rosemead, and Witness Lee, John Ingalls, Max Rapaport and a few hundred others moved to Anaheim.

Interestingly the blessing went to Rosemead with Samuel Chang and Don Hardy and 31 others (only 1 young person). One year later they had increased to over 100 and Anaheim had no increase(except for our son that was born!) We were as previously posted the first to move to Anaheim and Bro. Lee moved down the street from us until his home was built. We later moved close to the meeting hall and Al Knoch and Max and many others.

[Elden1971]

Originally Posted by Ohio

In his account, Don Rutledge wrote this ...

Anaheim never prospered and was a continual hole into which people and money were poured with no increase and no blessing. The Daystar experience was a great frustration to the move of the Spirit.

The difference between Anaheim and Elden prior to Daystar was like night and day. Also our experience in Hall 4 (east LA ) and Hall 6(North Hollywood) was quite positive. It did always bother me that 3 of the six halls were in other cities. Why did we not meet as the Church in Van Nuys and the Church in North Hollywood instead of being Halls of the Church in LA? What happened to the ground of locality?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Elden1971

Anaheim never prospered and was a continual hole into which people and money were poured with no increase and no blessing. The Daystar experience was a great frustration to the move of the Spirit.

The difference between Anaheim and Elden prior to Daystar was like night and day. Also our experience in Hall 4 (east LA ) and Hall 6(North Hollywood) was quite positive. It did always bother me that 3 of the six halls were in other cities. Why did we not meet as the Church in Van Nuys and the Church in North Hollywood instead of being Halls of the Church in LA? What happened to the ground of locality?

The ground of locality has proven to be a farce.

My city now has 2 LC's standing on the ground of oneness. Some cities have 4 or 5.

The corollary to one city/ one church (OCOC) was the appointment of elders by the approved "apostle."

Officially, we were against all hierarchy and the system of "bishops." But that is exactly what we had become.

[Elden1971]

http://www.stempublishing.com/author...cts/prize.html

Nee and Lee followed Govett...too bad they didn't follow Kelly

[ABrotherinFaith]

Originally Posted by Elden1971

http://www.stempublishing.com/author...cts/prize.html

Nee and Lee followed Govett...too bad they didn't follow Kelly

Thanks for this link. We had a heated discussion about just this topic in our home meeting about 2 months ago.

[Elden1971]

Originally Posted by ABrotherinFaith

Thanks for this link. We had a heated discussion about just this topic in our home meeting about 2 months ago.

http://www.stempublishing.com/author...p/Rapture.html

Then you will enjoy this link as well.

[Ohio]

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