Signs of Spiritual Abuse by Steven Lambert

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This reasoning reminds me of the old test for witchcraft. Throw the woman into the water, if she sinks she was innocent, if she floats she is guilty.

Is that where they got the expression, "damned if you do, and damned if you don't."

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is that where they got the expression, "damned if you do, and damned if you don't."

When I was a kid, we had a saying just as applicable. "Heads I win, tails you lose."

This is the outcome in the Recovery when it pertains to disciplines. The brothers are never wrong or hastily with their decisions. As they as the brothers in leadership are considered the Deputy Authority. Say for example a sister in Texas, a couple in California, and a brother in Washington, an accepted LC phrase "just get right with the brothers" is the protocol that you bear the responsibility. Never is it as I have told Indiana on many an occasion, "the brothers need to get right with you".

Where the expression "heads I win, tails you lose" becomes relevant for this forum's discussion is these saints through their silence qualifies the brothers decision as just. When saints speak to defend themselves, it is regarded as vindicating the brothers decision as Igzy brought out in post #6 of this thread.

When it pertains to former elders being described as ambitious, I have asked "where is the ambition? They have no ministry per se; in an organized way" The response is usually "You will know them by their fruits. " Whether a former elder has ambition for an organized ministry or just to minister Christ, that portion from the Gospel of Matthew is used to somehow justify a brother's quarantine. What it all amounts to if you're a former elder or just a general brother or sister who has been disciplined, don't expect fairness and don't expect impartiality. Accept when one door for fellowship has closed, another door for fellowship is opening.