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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Cassidy

That would be compelling. Where did he make distinctions between himself and Titus? Where did he contrast his views with those of Titus? We've seen where he included Titus' views with his own. Where did he do the opposite?

I just looked at the church in Toronto's web site and I saw nothing that would indicate they have ever been a part of the LRC:

• they have no connection or link to LSM or other LC's
• they have nothing of Nee and Lee in their history
• their schedule does not include Cleveland's upcoming conference
• they have no link to TC's ministry
• They give credit to no man but our Lord Jesus
• Their page for "church staff" never mentions that Nigel Tomes is a proxy for Titus Chu

[Cassidy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I just looked at the church in Toronto's web site and I saw nothing that would indicate they have ever been a part of the LRC:

• they have no connection or link to LSM or other LC's
• they have nothing of Nee and Lee in their history
• their schedule does not include Cleveland's upcoming conference
• they have no link to TC's ministry
• They give credit to no man but our Lord Jesus
• Their page for "church staff" never mentions that Nigel Tomes is a proxy for Titus Chu

If there is "no link to TC's ministry" then why does the Church in Cleveland website provide a link to the Church in Toronto website under the category of "Churches in Fellowship"?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Cassidy

If there is "no link to TC's ministry" then why does the Church in Cleveland website provide a link to the Church in Toronto website under the category of "Churches in Fellowship"?

Those links are so out of date. Half of them don't even connect. Some of those old GLA sites look like distressed cyber ghost towns. Toronto's was the only site that even looked current. One site still has a picture of me in sunglasses.

You can't use an antiquated link to determine the right hand of fellowship, neither can a missing link determine an official division, unless, of course, it is LSM maintaining the sites.

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Hey Cass, I happened to see this announcement on Cleveland's site ...

COMING SOON! What you see affects and changes how you live. In fact, the Bible says that, "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Proverbs 29:18). Check back in the coming weeks to see a clear description of our vision and commitment, and how our lives have been changed as a result.

Sounds like this coming conference will be life-changing, just like the olden days. Perhaps this is an event you do not want to miss. You can even register online.

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The one good thing I noticed about Cleveland's website was that it no longer was "all about Titus." It actually was almost looking like a real church website, except for the lack of upkeep, and all the talk about the ground of locality. I also noticed that my old LC was not included among the links, and their leaders are the most loyal to Cleveland.

[Cassidy]

Those links are so out of date. Half of them don't even connect.

The link from Cleveland to Toronto works just fine!

"You can't use an antiquated link to determine the right hand of fellowship,..."

Nothing antiquated about that link... and the link is under the banner "Churches in Fellowship"

But, look, based on Nigel's linking himself to Titus and serving a spokesperson for Titus in post #61 and the website link from Cleveland to Toronto as "Churches in Fellowship" then it is reasonable to conclude that they are strongly linked.

Nevertheless, I have noted a seemingly apparent departure in views on the ground of the church between Titus and Nigel and also concur that you being probably closest to Nigel Tomes than any other posters in the forum are denying that said link exists. However, until Nigel or Titus state it then I still lean toward there being a strong link and relationship between the two. Yet, this conference topic and invitation appear to be bringing two their different views to a tipping point.

We will know more in a few weeks I suppose.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Cassidy

Nevertheless, I have noted a seemingly apparent departure in views on the ground of the church between Titus and Nigel and also concur that you being probably closest to Nigel Tomes than any other posters in the forum are denying that said link exists. However, until Nigel or Titus state it then I still lean toward there being a strong link and relationship between the two. Yet, this conference topic and invitation appear to be bringing two their different views to a tipping point.

We will know more in a few weeks I suppose.

Excuse me. I am not denying nor have I ever denied that a link exists. From the beginning of this exchange I have only tried to dispute your declaration that Tomes is a proxy spokesman for TC. One thing I can say definitively is that Tomes has found his own voice in the aftermath of Whistler, and that is both good and needed for churches to positively grow and prosper.

Now that does not mean that I agree with everything Tomes says. In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook massacre, he posted a number of blogs against gun ownership by evangelical Christians in the US, and I don't happen to agree with these views of his, especially coming from north of the border. His article indicates that Christians south of the border might not have brains. That message may well suit his Canadian brothren, but some of my American brothers treasure their 2nd amendment rights as much as the 1st.

Anyways, Cass ... did you register for the conference?

[Cassidy]

"Anyways, Cass ... did you register for the conference?"


No.

[UntoHim]

All the posts related to the conference at the church in Cleveland and matters relating to Nigel and the church in Toronto have been moved to this thread.

Lets continue this important subject here.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I just looked at the church in Toronto's web site and I saw nothing that would indicate they have ever been a part of the LRC:

Ohio, I had looked at the website. There were several things that I appreciated about the content. One was a link to prior messages and two was the play group drop in. The assembly I attend supports something similar tailored to mothers with young children to come together for a time during the week. Is this a new trend among churches?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

Ohio, I had looked at the website. There were several things that I appreciated about the content. One was a link to prior messages and two was the play group drop in. The assembly I attend supports something similar tailored to mothers with young children to come together for a time during the week. Is this a new trend among churches?

Churches have been serving their communities since the dawn of time. It was WL who came along to declare that this somehow contaminated the pure gospel of God.