I love the local church

[Cal]

Originally Posted by SavedbyGrace

From the post above, I felt that your concern was that brothers working in LSM are often like despotic dictators lording it over churches and her leaders.

Since I do not know the brothers working at LSM, I do not have an opinion about them. You have an opinion about the brothers in LSM because you interacted with them or know people who interacted with them.

But, I never read the books published by LSM because the brothers working in LSM were more spiritual than me. I read the books because the books helped me enjoy the Lord. And, I would continue to refer to the books as long as I benefit from it.
(Balaam's donkey spoke to Balaam. Balaam could either listen to the donkey or tell the donkey that the donkey had not been the bestest of donkeys all these years.)

As long as you read other sources, you can read Lee. The danger, as far as your leaders are concerned, is if you do read other sources you'll start seeing that Lee made some big errors, and they don't want you to see that.

I honestly wish there was a way to get the good stuff Lee shared without the chaff, because I think he has some good things to offer.

The problem is when he slipped into chaff, it was really nasty chaff. Stuff like his movement being the only true move of God, only city churches (and only his) being true churches, implying that separation from him and his movement was rebellion against God, and so forth. Basically stuff that attempted to imprison believers in his movement. And you never knew when you were going to stumble upon it. This stuff has done a lot of damage, I can testify personally. Who is responsible for this damage? Who is accountable?

Ask yourself, what authorizes a man to claim his work is the only legitimate work of God on earth?!

And it's flat inexcusable. It's not just unfortunate, it's something that needs to be refuted and repented from. LSM and the BBs have yet to separate themselves from these type teachings. If they did, then perhaps they could begin the process putting Lee's ministry in proper perspective

Christian theologians aren't stupid. Many have read Lee's writings. If they really struck a chord with them eventually they would be rediscovered. But it hasn't happened yet because, I think, of the really questionable stuff that is mixed in. Lee basically attempted to invalidate any work other than his own. He believed everything flowed through him. It's hard to take someone like that seriously unless he's all you know, which is why the BBs want you to just know him.

I don't know of any true theologians who have come around to Lee.

[SavedbyGrace]

Originally Posted by Igzy

As long as you read other sources, you can read Lee. The danger, as far as your leaders are concerned, is if you do read other sources you'll start seeing that Lee made some big errors, and they don't want you to see that.

I honestly wish there was a way to get the good stuff Lee shared without the chaff, because I think he has some good things to offer.

The problem is when he slipped into chaff, it was really nasty chaff. Stuff like his movement being the only true move of God, only city churches (and only his) being true churches, implying that separation from him and his movement was rebellion against God, and so forth. Basically stuff that attempted to imprison believers in his movement. And you never knew when you were going to stumble upon it. This stuff has done a lot of damage, I can testify personally. Who is responsible for this damage? Who is accountable?

Ask yourself, what authorizes a man to claim his work is the only legitimate work of God on earth?!

And it's flat inexcusable. It's not just unfortunate, it's something that needs to be refuted and repented from. LSM and the BBs have yet to separate themselves from these type teachings. If they did, then perhaps they could begin the process putting Lee's ministry in proper perspective

Christian theologians aren't stupid. Many have read Lee's writings. If they really struck a chord with them eventually they would be rediscovered. But it hasn't happened yet because, I think, of the really questionable stuff that is mixed in. Lee basically attempted to invalidate any work other than his own. He believed everything flowed through him. It's hard to take someone like that seriously unless he's all you know, which is why the BBs want you to just know him.

I don't know of any true theologians who have come around to Lee.

I already said that my Leader is perfect.

Br. Lee is supposed to have shortcomings, given the fact that he died and was buried.

For me, Br. Lee is only a brother whose writings helped reveal many things in the Bible. My relation with the Lord is not dependent on Br. Lee or LSM or anyone else.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by SavedbyGrace

I already said that my Leader is perfect.

Br. Lee is supposed to have shortcomings, given the fact that he died and was buried.

For me, Br. Lee is only a brother whose writings helped reveal many things in the Bible. My relation with the Lord is not dependent on Br. Lee or LSM or anyone else.

I agree with you completely on this point. In fact I went through the math to describe WL's influence on my experience in the LC as being between 1-5% depending on which equation you wish to use. However, the moderator felt that could not possibly be true and deleted/moved that post.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree with you completely on this point. In fact I went through the math to describe WL's influence on my experience in the LC as being between 1-5% depending on which equation you wish to use. However, the moderator felt that could not possibly be true and deleted/moved that post.

This is unfortunate, ZNP. Though I realize your experience is unique.

I just do not understand why UntoHim takes offense at certain of your posts.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is unfortunate, ZNP. Though I realize your experience is unique.

I just do not understand why UntoHim takes offense at certain of your posts.

No big deal, I just reworded it in the post about the things I loved about the LRC.