A Word of Love

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This actually supports Igzy's thesis that the authority of the apostles is no longer around.

Don't you mean the supposed authority of the NT apostles? Can you imagine hanging with those fumble-bums back then? I'm sure sitting around a campfire the apostles had no more authority than anyone else. Would Paul act like a dictator? Would John? How about Peter? There's a dozy of an apostle.

Sure these ones had a following. But there's no sign they thought their followers were IT, and all other followings were not IT. They seemed to accept differences -- Think of the differences between James/Peter and Paul.

But Lee sure did. That should tell you something about Lee, and his apostle doctrine.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Sure these ones had a following. But there's no sign they thought their followers were IT, and all other followings were not IT. They seemed to accept differences -- Think of the differences between James/Peter and Paul.

But Lee sure did. That should tell you something about Lee, and his apostle doctrine.

What this tells me Awareness is you still have a lot of LC blood in you. Lee came up with the phrase 'these ones'. Outside the LC life, people don't use that phrase. People would/will say 'Sure THEY had a following or something like that...but not 'these ones'.

How long have you been out ?

If it sounds like I'm nitpicking...it probably is but while I am grateful for being in the LC for the short time I was in it, I really dislike the religious system that even their terminology dusgusts me ! Sorry..can't help it.

On a lighter note......it's taken me a long time not to say 'Amen' after every sentence when someone is praying.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

What this tells me Awareness is you still have a lot of LC blood in you. Lee came up with the phrase 'these ones'.

From the urban dictionary :

these ones:
A redundant way for uneducated people to say "these."

What can I say sis.?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

From the urban dictionary :

these ones:
A redundant way for uneducated people to say "these."

What can I say sis.?

LOL !!!!

[OBW]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

What this tells me Awareness is you still have a lot of LC blood in you. Lee came up with the phrase 'these ones'. Outside the LC life, people don't use that phrase.

OK. I'll be the first one to admit that I see remnants of LRC in everything. But saying "these ones"? If he was consistently saying those long overly adjectivized phrases like "I'm just enjoying the seven-fold intensified life-giving spirit in my spirit" then I would accuse him of still having LRC in his blood. But just because we use some nonspecific term that we actually picked up in the LRC doesn't equate to LRC blood.

Let's give the guy a little slack.

To me, the key is in whether it seems to give a different meaning to otherwise well-used and understood words.

Like "religion." If you simply use it like Lee and the LRC did, then there is still LRC blood in you. But if you say "these ones," or "youse," or "those guys," or "you-uns," or "them guys" it just means "you" or "they" or "them" and there is nothing LRC about it. Yes, it might have been picked up there, but someone who never heard of the LRC wouldn't bat an eye at it. It means what it means.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by OBW

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Let's give the guy a little slack. .

WHAT ?? ME give Awareness a little slack ??!! Are you kidding me !! No way Jose !!

Ok... just so you know OBW...Awareness & I can dish it out to each other..w/o getting too bent out of shape. He's a thorn on my side but not the only thorn in my side.. I was mostly ribbing him even though hearing those words "these ones" rubs me the wrong way. I luv that ole' lughead, pain in the behind that he is and he knows it.

If you simply use it like Lee and the LRC did, then there is still LRC blood in you.

Yeah...of course. Also..I am in daily communicato w/an LC sister. She is trying slowly...very s-l-o-w-l-y to break free from the LC. She always tells me about all 'these ones' as part of the LC lingo. It really plucks my last nerve OBW.

Anyway... I think you softened ole weird Harold's heart by your comments ! Good job !!

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

She always tells me about all 'these ones' as part of the LC lingo. It really plucks my last nerve OBW.

I've always thought of the phrase "these ones" as a reviling phrase. It's a way of referring to a person or person's whose name you don't want to utter. In other words someone you want to consider as unmentionable, you refer to in singular "that one" or in plural "these ones".
Personally I consider the phrase demeaning and disrespectful.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Terry

I've always thought of the phrase "these ones" as a reviling phrase. It's a way of referring to a person or person's whose name you don't want to utter. In other words someone you want to consider as unmentionable, you refer to in singular "that one" or in plural "these ones".
Personally I consider the phrase demeaning and disrespectful.

THANK YOU Terry !!! You wrote exactly what I was trying to convey.

Another LC word I detest when referring to the people being reeled into the LC is"contact". --" All these ones are new contacts." --

Uh... I have a feeling we might start a new thread on LC phrases we like but mostly DISLIKE !

Oh..here's a funny totally off topic but still referring to phrases Christians use in evangelizing. My girl friend and I were having lunch a couple of days ago. Our waiter was a newlywed. He was on fire but a fire that reminded me of the fire a brand new Christian is on when they first give their lives wholeheartedly to the Lord. He was telling us how he and his wife get up every morning and read the Word together before starting their day. Cute kid.

At one point he was telling us how he was a fisher of men. I don't know if there was a subliminal message in how I responded but I replied "So are we !"

And btw, if anyone here would like to wish me a happy 57th B-day, by all means feel free to do so ! >

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

THANK YOU Terry !!! You wrote exactly what I was trying to and could not.

Another LC word I detest when referring to baby Christians is "contact". --" All these ones are new contacts." --

Uh... I have a feeling we might start a new thread on LC phrases we like but mostly DISLIKE !

Another "curse" was to say he is a "dear" brother.

When you hear that about a brother, then you know the brother is dead or blind or sinful or a mental case.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Another LC word I detest when referring to the people being reeled into the LC is"contact". --" All these ones are new contacts." --

CMW, happy birthday! "Contact" or "new contact" sounds like a sales lead. I heard in OCS terminology it would be a "candidate". Those familiar with university greek clubs (faternities/sororities) it would be prospect.
Another term you might hear among lc circles would be "new ones". WOuld that mean new believers? Or new to the local church congregation? Why not refer to new ones as visitors?

[OBW]

Churches are churches. Co-workers are co-workers. Elders are elders. None of them are anyone's. But Lee presumes that because he uses the terminology of Paul in 1 Corinthians that not being according to his desire is to be divisive. And he then calls that one "a division."

All who work in serving the Lord are co-workers. But not all have practical access or contact with all such co-workers. But Lee has now insisted that to not be a division, you must stand with him.

And note that there is the underlying question that is begging to be asked. What are the churches that Lee is speaking of? Are they one with all other churches? Or only with their own kind? When they say "churches" do they mean all churches, or only those in the "recovery."

He rightly says that "all the churches are one Body," yet he does not see that the very stance of the "recovery" is to "stand alone, separate from . . . other churches." By his own words, the "recovery" is a division.

And at some level there is division all over Christianity. The LRC is just one more. Yet somehow they think that there is divine fairy dust that falls on them and makes their division entirely correct in every way and all others incorrect. Otherwise, their entire premise falls apart.

So they close their eyes to the contradiction that comes when you make the kinds of statements that Lee has just made.

[OBW]

But I will admit that Lee has been very careful to never say that anyone must be one with him, or with the LSM to remain in the recovery. He uses broad words that do not directly say such a thing. But note that it is not that the ones in some region are separated from the other churches in their region that makes them a division. It is separation from the organization of churches under the headship of Lee that makes you a division.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Don't you mean the supposed authority of the NT apostles?

Harold....... there are a lot of people who abuse their authority both in the secular and religious realm.

While The apostles and disciples were HUMAN and struggled w/problems, fear, sickness, persecutions, betrayals, temptations, and simply made mistakes, they WERE Anointed by the Holy Spirit to preach the gospel and disciple people. Their authority came from being in the Presence of God.

The apostles including Paul may not have always operated under the Anointing of the Holy Spirit but I am more than sure they did more often than not. They were Anointed Harold.

The Anointing/Presence of God is available to all who Love and Abide in Christ. But religion has deceived people to think only a "chosen/called" group are 'anointed'.

P.S. Are you angry at the Lord ? Just wondering