Prophecy - The End Times

[Nell]

CASHLESS SOCIETY?
Are we on the verge of a cashless society? How cool! Uh-oh...did the Bible prophecy a cashless society 2,000 years ago?

Revelation 13:16-18:
"He (the false prophet; Rev. 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Could this refer to the current move toward a cashless society? If cash was still in use, would the “mark” be necessary? It doesn’t seem so. From time to time, I attend Major League Baseball games. The venue I attend is cashless. Totally. If I want to make a purchase I do so through my "smart phone" which connects with my “account” which contains my credit card information. If my phone cannot make a connection to…whatever…I can't park, or attend the game, even though I purchased a ticket. I can't buy food. No paper tickets and no cash.

I'm sure you likely have your own examples of cashless venues? Imagine what life would be like if your cash was “no good”…anywhere. Could this situation be considered parallel to Revelation 13:17 ... that we cannot buy or sell unless we … have a smart phone?

SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL?
Is the “mark of the beast” totally a spiritual scripture reference? We see two physical locations stating the mark will be one place or the other: a hand or forehead which is not spiritual…is it?

ANIMALS WITH RFID MICROCHIPS:
Animals have been successfully tracked with implanted microchips for a long time. What about humans? Many today cannot consider "life as we know it" without constant possession and usage of their smart phones...especially children and young people. The rationale of implanting animals became a major necessity as well as a convenience. Is the next step to implant people with a microchip which contains features of the smart phone..., i.e., the "smart wallet"?

What do you think? Is there a case here?
More later...
Nell
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Another thought...in a cashless society, what if the Internet becomes compromised to the extent that digital/electronic communication is impossible. Wow...what if digital communication, i.e., the grid, were compromised today (4/11/23)?

[Ohio]

This is already happening in Sweden.

Initially, like the vaccine, many will take the chip voluntarily, believing in all the many promised “benefits.” Eventually it will be forced on the rest of us. The Covid Vax was definitely not the “charagma mark,” but the trial run for something far more sinister to come. The good thing is that the Bible indicates that the ultimate decision to accept the charagma of the Beast will be ours to make. Before the actual return of Jesus Christ, it seems that all mankind will have some mark of ownership, either of God or of the Beast.

Recently, I was considering the pending apostasy prophesied in 2 Thess 2. A study of this word indicates that this apostasy will not be a rebellion from without, but rather a forsaking of the faith by many within the church. Could it be that the decision to accept the chip, under great economic and political pressure and societal coercion, causes many to abandon their faith? As with all disobedience (remember how Moses forsook the temporary enjoyment of sin in Hebrews 11), there are always short term benefits, but long term loss.

[countmeworthy]

Sort of derailing here. Sort of…. You know what I the unforgivable sin, the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is?

Tic toc tic toc….

The mark of the beast. No one can ever repent from taking it. I have heard the person who takes it becomes a hybrid. Whether or not that’s true, scripture is clear, you are doomed if you take the mark.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Sort of derailing here. Sort of…. You know what I the unforgivable sin, the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is?

Tic toc tic toc….

The mark of the beast. No one can ever repent from taking it. I have heard the person who takes it becomes a hybrid. Whether or not that’s true, scripture is clear, you are doomed if you take the mark.

I’m not so sure. I tend not to look at things homogeneously, believing “with every trial God will make a way out.” I think some will naively take the mark, regret it with great remorse, and then somehow remove it. Perhaps even obedience to Jesus’ command, “If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off, and throw it away.” Revelation 14.9 does say “to get the mark AND worship the beast,” as if both are required.

During the vax mandates, I told lots of people that it sounds like what will happen when the Antichrist makes everyone get the mark of the Beast. Few agreed, most listened, some thought I was crazy, but most thought there was no connection. Gen Z-ers today think cash is stupid and inconvenient. The “mark” will be marketed as safe, convenient, free, and even trendy. What’s not to like?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I’m not so sure. I tend not to look at things homogeneously, believing “with every trial God will make a way out.” I think some will naively take the mark, regret it with great remorse, and then somehow remove it. Perhaps even obedience to Jesus’ command, “If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off, and throw it away.” Revelation 14.9 does say “to get the mark AND worship the beast,” as if both are required.

During the vax mandates, I told lots of people that it sounds like what will happen when the Antichrist makes everyone get the mark of the Beast. Few agreed, most listened, some thought I was crazy, but most thought there was no connection. Gen Z-ers today think cash is stupid and inconvenient. The “mark” will be marketed as safe, convenient, free, and even trendy. What’s not to like?

No one really knows what the mark will be. But I do think that people will easily accept the mandate. Vaccine mandates have made it easy for people to accept everything and anything the government tells us to do.

One thing is certain. Stay faithful to the Lord, to the Holy Spirit’s leading, Our God will protect us and keep us safe. I believe it because our God has kept me safe time and time again.

May we all experience God’s Love, Goodness and Mercy that follows us all the days of our lives.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

No one really knows what the mark will be. But I do think that people will easily accept the mandate. Vaccine mandates have made it easy for people to accept everything and anything the government tells us to do.

One thing is certain. Stay faithful to the Lord, to the Holy Spirit’s leading, Our God will protect us and keep us safe. I believe it because our God has kept me safe time and time again.

May we all experience God’s Love, Goodness and Mercy that follows us all the days of our lives.

Yes indeed, and the Lord has miraculously cared for me too, but there’s no guarantee of safety during the tribulation, otherwise the book of Revelation would not speak of “loving not your life even unto death.”

I know way too many Christians believe rapture and a great revival is coming. The NT, however, never speaks of this revival, rather Paul warned the Thessalonians that Apostasy is coming. Why would Christians forsake the faith if we all will be so well cared for? Why would Jesus warn us of being deceived by false teachers and false prophets.

We are now living in a time of great deception. The Bible says that God Himself will send a strong delusion to those who refuse to love the truth. 2 Ts 2.11

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is already happening in Sweden.

Initially, like the vaccine, many will take the chip voluntarily, believing in all the many promised “benefits.” Eventually it will be forced on the rest of us. The Covid Vax was definitely not the “charagma mark,” but the trial run for something far more sinister to come. The good thing is that the Bible indicates that the ultimate decision to accept the charagma of the Beast will be ours to make. Before the actual return of Jesus Christ, it seems that all mankind will have some mark of ownership, either of God or of the Beast.

Recently, I was considering the pending apostasy prophesied in 2 Thess 2. A study of this word indicates that this apostasy will not be a rebellion from without, but rather a forsaking of the faith by many within the church. Could it be that the decision to accept the chip, under great economic and political pressure and societal coercion, causes many to abandon their faith? As with all disobedience (remember how Moses forsook the temporary enjoyment of sin in Hebrews 11), there are always short term benefits, but long term loss.

Your link above also has similar information on implants being used in India.
Biometrics in India

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Nell

SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL?
Is the “mark of the beast” totally a spiritual scripture reference? We see two physical locations stating the mark will be one place or the other: a hand or forehead which is not spiritual…is it?

What is the beast?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Zezima

What is the beast?

Revelation chapter 13 is good place to start reading.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Zezima

What is the beast?

I think it’s a system of control under the authority of the powers that be, the elitists of the world, the Illuminati, the religious institutions especially the Jesuits. All super powerful entities.

*** BEAST OF THE SEA = political system by which the AC will come out from (Revelation 13:1-10)

*** BEAST OF THE EARTH = religious system from where the false prophet comes out from. This beast performs great signs and wonders and miracles (Revelation 13:11-18). This beast issues the mark of the beast. And points people to worship Beast of the sea


Just my thoughts

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Zezima

What is the beast?

Z,

What about you? What, or who, is the beast?

Nell

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Nell

Z,

What about you? What, or who, is the beast?

Nell

My interpretation is vastly different but I was asking to understand what it means to others who don’t hold the same view. Anyways, my understanding is the beasts in revelation are satan & the state. The beasts in revelation mimic God and try to be God.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Zezima

My interpretation is vastly different but I was asking to understand what it means to others who don’t hold the same view. Anyways, my understanding is the beasts in revelation are satan & the state. The beasts in revelation mimic God and try to be God.

I think there is overwhelming evidence that the Beast is a man, not just one who is against Christ, but one who will claim to be Christ Himself, the long awaited Messiah of Israel. Of course, the Beast will mimic the Lord and try to be God, probably using AI to his full advantage.

For example, both claim to be Messiah of Israel, God Himself in the flesh. Both serve 3.5 years, performing signs and wonders, speaking wisdom and truth. Both die, and then "rise" from the dead. (The beast will rise like Lazarus, only to be tossed into the lake of fire when the Son of Man does appear.)

Initially, at least for the first half of Daniel's 70th week, the Beast will be everything that Jesus Christ was "supposed to be" - powerful leader bringing peace and security to the world. Most of the world will believe that Jesus Christ was a failure, and now we have the "real" Christ. They will all marvel at him, saying "who is like the beast?" Unlike Jesus, who only appeared in Israel, this Beast will appear to the entire world.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I think there is overwhelming evidence that the Beast is a man, not just one who is against Christ, but one who will claim to be Christ Himself, the long awaited Messiah of Israel. Of course, the Beast will mimic the Lord and try to be God, probably using AI to his full advantage.

For example, both claim to be Messiah of Israel, God Himself in the flesh. Both serve 3.5 years, performing signs and wonders, speaking wisdom and truth. Both die, and then "rise" from the dead. (The beast will rise like Lazarus, only to be tossed into the lake of fire when the Son of Man does appear.)

Initially, at least for the first half of Daniel's 70th week, the Beast will be everything that Jesus Christ was "supposed to be" - powerful leader bringing peace and security to the world. Most of the world will believe that Jesus Christ was a failure, and now we have the "real" Christ. They will all marvel at him, saying "who is like the beast?" Unlike Jesus, who only appeared in Israel, this Beast will appear to the entire world.

Clear and very good explanation Ohio !

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

For example, both claim to be Messiah of Israel, God Himself in the flesh.

Are there any verses that indicate the AC will claim to be the Messiah? And do you think the Jews in general will belive him?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Are there any verses that indicate the AC will claim to be the Messiah? And do you think the Jews in general will believe him?

Matt 24.3-5: "As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many."

Matt 24.23: "At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Obviously Israel, especially as the end of the age approaches, will be looking for their long-promised Messiah. Actually the Bible never refers to this person as "THE Antichrist," rather by various other descriptors.

Daniel 9.27 refers to him as the Prince. "He [the Prince of the restored Roman empire, the forth of the Beasts in Daniel] will make a treaty with the many [referring to most of those in Israel, but not all] for one week [referring to a 7 year period of time.] In the middle of the week [referring to 3.5 years after the covenant was made] he [referring to the Prince] will put an end to sacrifice and offering. [these are Levitical animal sacrifices] And at the temple [indicting that the temple must have been rebuilt] he [the Prince, "who was not, and now is" according to Revelation 17.8] will set up an abomination that causes desolation, [referred to by Jesus Himself in Matthew 24.15] until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” [according to Rev 19.19-20]

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I think there is overwhelming evidence that the Beast is a man.

I’m not ruling this view out, but when was the last time you saw a man “two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon”?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Zezima

I’m not ruling this view out, but when was the last time you saw a man “two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon”?

Do you want me to name names? These words in Revelation 13 are metaphorical, but not hyperbolic. Do you ever watch the news? Things are only getting worse. People love lies and hate the truth. Eventually this world will provide an eager audience when these 2 Beasts appear on the scene.