Prophecy - The End Times

[Nell]

As you check out these two links, consider these verses in Revelation 18. Specifically who or what Babylon the great? Who or what are "all nations" (global) and "the kings of the earth"(global leadership) and "merchants of the earth" (big business, big tech, little business, little tech).

Revelation 18
² And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
³ For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
⁴ And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Coming soon: New version of the Internet WEB3

Already here: Cryptocurrency
IMHO, these two "things" are increasing the dependence of peoples of the world on the Internet which seems to be the foundation for the merchants of the earth to do business. Also, it appears to me that cryptocurrency is totally dependent on the Internet. Is this correct? If so, what happens if the Internet is compromised?

Nell


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I want to keep these links together, so I'm repeating.
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Farm Chemical Shortages
A disturbing report by Reuters, featuring interviews with more than a dozen chemical dealers, manufacturers, farmers, and weed specialists, indicates chemical shortages have disrupted U.S. growers’ production strategies and points to reduced harvests this season.

Color Revolution
A color revolution (not about "color") is a known tactical CIA operation that uses a seemingly spontaneous act as the precipitating event to destabilize a country and effect regime change. The color revolution is what is happening in America...

Here's another timely message. If you have access to the Roku channel, see Megiddo: The March to Armageddon. There are other places where it can be viewed. Warning! It's 2h 12m.

[Nell]

Huh?

Divine Coincidence? Red Heifers Arrive In Israel Before New Shmita Cycle Begins

“A major prophetic event just happened, and hardly anyone in the United States is talking about it.

In recent years a group of western Christians known as Boneh Israel has been working with officials from the Temple Institute to search for a perfect red heifer. A red heifer is necessary if Temple sacrifices are to be reinstituted, but one hasn't been seen in Israel for more than 2,000 years.

This is something that I have written about a few times over the years, because it directly relates to end times prophecies. For a long time, the search for a perfect red heifer seemed to be going nowhere, but now all of that has changed.

On September 15th, five perfect red heifers from the United States landed at Ben Gurion Airport. The following comes from the official website of the Temple Institute...

On Thursday, September 15, 2022, 5 PM, 5 perfect, unblemished red heifers arrived in Israel from the USA. A modest ceremony was held at the unloading bay of the cargo terminal at Ben Gurion airport, where the new arrivals were greeted and speeches were made by the incredible people who have put their hearts and souls and means into making this historic/prophetic day become a reality.

It would be difficult to overstate the prophetic importance of this event. In Numbers 19:1-10, we read about the very first time that the ashes of a red heifer were used...

Read the full article here. https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/ar...t_news_id=5612

Nell

The story link about the red heifers has no sources. It seems to be worded in a way common to conspiracy theory articles (or even advertising clickbait): It titillates with emotionally-laden possibilities. But it has no reliable sourcing of claims made. There is nothing verifiable. That is a red flag.

What brings the Lord back will not be the saints on jittery all-night internet rapture watch. It will be the saints choosing instead to watch in prayer, in bearing fruit, by gaining the oil. If we gained believers by excitement, we would lose them quickly. (Embarrassingly, I've had lots of experience bringing in college students who get excited at love feasts or conferences in the LR, we see them standing and shouting and calling on the Lord, their faces glowing. Wow!...and we never see them again).

This kind of thinking, that is, jumping to conclusions when we see an event that sounds similar to what we want to see, is not clear thinking. One test is: does it bear out in the long run? Also, does it create primarily emotional responses, like excitement, fear, or anger?

I would venture a guess, although I have no scriptural support for it, that if we're watching His face, it will not be a surprise when He comes.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The story link about the red heifers has no sources. It seems to be worded in a way common to conspiracy theory articles (or even advertising clickbait): It titillates with emotionally-laden possibilities. But it has no reliable sourcing of claims made. There is nothing verifiable. That is a red flag.

AT the end of the article is this statement:
Originally published at:
https://endoftheamericandream.com/is...ycle-to-begin/ reposted with permission. If you follow the link you'll see the article was published on September 18, 2022 and written by Michael. No last name provided.

It's "legitimate claim" is based on Numbers 19:1-10 which is quoted in its entirety on the link provided.

In Numbers 19:1-10, is the first time that the ashes of a red heifer were used...
And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
2 This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:
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What brings the Lord back will not be the saints on jittery all-night internet rapture watch. It will be the saints choosing instead to watch in prayer, in bearing fruit, by gaining the oil. If we gained believers by excitement, we would lose them quickly....

As for "what brings the Lord back," what are your sources, your references? You are entitled to your opinion/teachings/speculations, but it would be fair to provide your sources for your commentary...since you needed sources for this article.

There are many end times prophecies from the Bible. That's what we're discussing on this topic "Prophecy - The End Times". All opinions are welcome.

This kind of thinking, that is, jumping to conclusions when we see an event that sounds similar to what we want to see, is not clear thinking. One test is: does it bear out in the long run? Also, does it create primarily emotional responses, like excitement, fear, or anger...

I don't see the jump...to any conclusions. Just a report of an event that seems to parallel the prophecy in Numbers 19. But you are right: will it bear out in the long run? We'll see.

"Does it primarily create emotional responses like excitement, fear or anger...". Maybe. It's a discussion. I don't see the problem. What constitutes "clear thinking" is also an opinion.

I would venture a guess, although I have no scriptural support for it, that if we're watching His face, it will not be a surprise when He comes.

Your guess is as good as mine.

In my opinion, the interesting thing about this "Red Heifer" article is that End Times Prophecy is on the mind of many, many people. Even if it's speculation. There are a lot of articles out there on the "Red Heifer". Also, all you have to do is listen to or read the news and it's obvious to me that "something is going on". This "click bait" may get people's attention. It may cause them to do some research they had never considered before. It may give the Lord an opening to touch their hearts.

I think it's important to get people's attention. The Lord can use a lot of things to do that...even "click bait".

Thanks for stopping by. I hope you will hang around, register for an account so we can keep talking.

Nell

[Sons to Glory!]

For what it's worth, here's another article on the red heifers: https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/news-...rrive-in-israel And here's a video from CBN news (along with some interesting comments from the Israeli PM at the beginning concerning the Palestinian state: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG-1PY2IOiw Part about heifers starts around 9:45 to about 13:30

[OBW]

I know that I have make my thoughts known about this general subject before, and it was generally panned at the time. But I thought that on this rare visit I would say something about it again. But before I do, I must say that I do not deny prophecy, but what it is saying, whether literal or metaphorical, is really not so clear.

I'm clearly not going through all that has gone before, but the button that is supposed to take me to the post after the last one I read (a couple of months ago) took me to the last post instead.

From Nell (from two posts):

#242:

Coming soon: New version of the Internet WEB3

Already here: Cryptocurrency

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#243:

In recent years a group of western Christians known as Boneh Israel has been working with officials from the Temple Institute to search for a perfect red heifer. A red heifer is necessary if Temple sacrifices are to be reinstituted, but one hasn't been seen in Israel for more than 2,000 years.

This is something that I have written about a few times over the years, because it directly relates to end times prophecies. For a long time, the search for a perfect red heifer seemed to be going nowhere, but now all of that has changed.

(I note that the portion in #243 was not Nell's words.)

First, for all the potential lawlessness of a decentralized, blockchain internet, it is not evidence of the return of Christ. Man has been lawless since the fall. We may think we have gotten better, but not really. It is too often just hiding behind masks of civility.

Second, cryptocurrency? As a major bank CEO has recently said, it is a ponzi scheme. Whether he is right or not, it is too volatile to be the decentralized currency that the Wiki article discusses. Besides, what would it have to do with the end times that dollars, pounds sterling, or any other currency cannot do?

Red heifers? Maybe a red herring? Do we think that the sacrificial system cannot be begun, ended, and begun again before the actual return of Christ? We saw the 6-day war in 1967 as a “clear sign” of the return of Christ before the end of the generation. Well, it has been 55 years and those of us in our 60s and even 70s would not have been the “generation” that would not pass away. That generation is rapidly disappearing. Reading one prophecy as types and another as literal facts that can be followed with mathematical certainty is not a sound method of interpretation.

From Unregistered:

The story link about the red heifers has no sources. It seems to be worded in a way common to conspiracy theory articles (or even advertising clickbait): It titillates with emotionally-laden possibilities. But it has no reliable sourcing of claims made. There is nothing verifiable. That is a red flag.

What brings the Lord back will not be the saints on jittery all-night internet rapture watch. It will be the saints choosing instead to watch in prayer, in bearing fruit, by gaining the oil. If we gained believers by excitement, we would lose them quickly. (Embarrassingly, I've had lots of experience bringing in college students who get excited at love feasts or conferences in the LR, we see them standing and shouting and calling on the Lord, their faces glowing. Wow!...and we never see them again).

This kind of thinking, that is, jumping to conclusions when we see an event that sounds similar to what we want to see, is not clear thinking. . . .

You are onto something here. Whether we can actively do anything that hastens the return of Christ is uncertain. But going up to mountain tops dressed in white, or congregating on the web in prayer, is not it. The former has occurred too many times with no results (except the creation of yet another Christian sect).

But the notions of bearing fruit and gaining oil are not a lot clearer. What is bearing fruit? The metaphor would suggest that it is not simply more branches for the vine, yet what we call fruit is too often just that. And as to oil, is “gaining more oil” a function in seeking oil, or is it the result of entirely non-oil related “activities?” Sort of like teaching “God’s economy” v teaching a host of right things that result in God’s economy. (That would be the logical analysis of that passage written to Timothy. Bad teachings result in discord while good teachings result in God’s economy.) The commandments on us are not “gain more oil.” They are love God and your neighbor as yourself; live justly; and so on. Is this more likely the source of oil?

And no matter what the answers rightly are, is it more important to seek to be certain about the actual timing of the return of Christ, or to live the kingdom life that was commanded of us? Which will better set us up for that time?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by OBW

...And no matter what the answers rightly are, is it more important to seek to be certain about the actual timing of the return of Christ, or to live the kingdom life that was commanded of us? Which will better set us up for that time?

1. is it more important to seek to be certain about the actual timing of the return of Christ, ... ?
We're not "seeking certainty". We're having a discussion. We get to do that. We are not seeking the "certainty" of what "no man knows".

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2. to live the kingdom life that was commanded of us?
3. Which will better set us up for that time?

Can we not do both? Can we not have a discussion? Lets start with Matthew 24 to hear what Jesus commands us to do.

Matthew 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The disciples were curious too! Jesus didn't tell them: Don't ask questions, just "live the kingdom life." Jesus gave them very practical answers:

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
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11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
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50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

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It's interesting that the commands in Matthew 24 also include serious warnings about what it will be like if you're not "ready" or if you're not looking for Him...in an hour that he is not aware...

Another interesting thing...36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What does this mean: ...of that day and hour knoweth no man...? "Day and hour", but it doesn't say "year". I wonder why...? Maybe we are charged to have a more immediate vigil over what's going on in our world...daily and hourly. IMHO Don't wait for the years to pass by before you start to pay attention to the end times, but it's your call. Do what you think the Lord is telling you to do.

Nell