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[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by DP0902

Thank you for your reply.
Oh, I see. But there are also a lot of Christians from other denominations. There are Christians who have been saved from Christian denomination churches. I believe that God saved those Christians from other denominations as well, and that they want to follow Christ. If they believe that Christians from other denominations were unbelievers, it means they were condemning other Christians and Christ is not in them at all. I'm still in a scenario wherein I would like to know more about them if they were really a true Christians.

Hi DP0902,

I will just comment on this, since I came there from Christian background. For the most part, I would say 90%, will never admit publicly that the other Christians are unbelievers. They will also never admit that they don’t like Christians. But if you ever get a chance to pin them down in the discussion about it, they will tell you that anyone who is not meeting in the LC, is a carnal believer that does not know the true revaluation about the body, thus he is most likely headed to 1000 year purgatory to get perfected.

But hey, it’s not all lost, just eat the “truth” offered in LC, and you will be the elite godmen, the “overcomer”, just chilling with the Lord watching other people improve for 1000 yrs.

They have all Christian vocabulary, terminology, lingo, even took some songs to blend in better, but it’s all means absolutely different than in biblical Christianity. Read it for yourself, it’s all available online.

Thanks

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

…. For the most part, I would say 90%, will never admit publicly that the other Christians are unbelievers. …
Thanks

Paul, I don’t think you mean this. There is no such thing as a “Christian unbeliever.” Right? Someone is either a Christian, or an unbeliever.

Nell

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Nell

Paul, I don’t think you mean this. There is no such thing as a “Christian unbeliever.” Right? Someone is either a Christian, or an unbeliever.

Nell

I think he’s saying that those in the LR view those outside of it as unbelievers. They don’t typically view Christians meeting outside of the LR as true believers. “Is he a brother?” Meaning does he meet with us? “Church life” referring to those in the LR rather than the “called out ones”. So while the OP maybe be a believer, as long as their SO meets in the LR he or she will feel that stigma attached to believers outside of the LSM walls.

In the LSM they have written text saying presbyterianism is christless, and that to be a top Christian you need to be in the Lords recovery. Remember everyone but them is wrong and degraded…

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Nell

Paul, I don’t think you mean this. There is no such thing as a “Christian unbeliever.” Right? Someone is either a Christian, or an unbeliever.

Nell

Nell,

That’s precisely what I’m saying, there is no such thing as Christian unbeliever, but there is such demeaning doctrine in LC, that unless you are a Christian that meets outside the ground of the TLR, you are most likely lost to the truth, and I have heard many times that it would be said “I can’t say whether or not one is a born again believer, since they oppose the “truth” of LSM”.

As far as I’m concerned, there are true born again believers in many denominations, and nondenominational churches. I can’t, and will not ever comply with devilish doctrines that TLR pedals as the truth. They are the most devicive, self-righteous system, along with JWs and Mormons. (I don’t consider JWs and Mormons to be Christians, just for clarifications). I also do not subscribe to the two tier Christians doctrine, also promoted by them (overcomer scam). It’s the most extrapolated and stretch out nonsense of self righteousness one could come up with. So, hopefully that answers your question.

Thanks.

[Paul Vusik]

I wanted to add something to the previous post,

As some of you know, I was there for almost 12yrs. I have sat through many meetings on Sunday, while listening people get up during the so called “prophesying “ portion, and blast all Christians who are outside of LC, who know nothing about the truths, and say how blessed they are to have this “church”. There were times when I had to get up and go outside to get some fresh air after those statements, since my blood was boiling inside with total disagreement.

My great grandfather was a Christian who was sent to Siberia, imprisoned for 25 years during the Stalin rule of USSR, my grandparents and parents could not do anything in society because they actually stood for something, and believed and trusted God rather than man. When I went to school as a child in the 80s, we were taken out in front of the whole school and made fun of because we refused to comply with communists beliefs. And then you have these frauds that can’t even handle a normal human level conversation because they “Oh so offended”, and it’s better to just not say anything or stand out in the society that needs some light and salt, pour vile, discarding statements about their faith, and knowledge of the truth. I wish sometime I could be like Paul, and say some things to them like he did in couple of his letters, but “I will let Him who judges rightchesly, and knows the heart of man do that”

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

I wanted to add something to the previous post,

As some of you know, I was there for almost 12yrs. I have sat through many meetings on Sunday, while listening people get up during the so called “prophesying “ portion, and blast all Christians who are outside of LC, who know nothing about the truths, and say how blessed they are to have this “church”. There were times when I had to get up and go outside to get some fresh air after those statements, since my blood was boiling inside with total disagreement.

My great grandfather was a Christian who was sent to Siberia, imprisoned for 25 years during the Stalin rule of USSR, my grandparents and parents could not do anything in society because they actually stood for something, and believed and trusted God rather than man. When I went to school as a child in the 80s, we were taken out in front of the whole school and made fun of because we refused to comply with communists beliefs. And then you have these frauds that can’t even handle a normal human level conversation because they “Oh so offended”, and it’s better to just not say anything or stand out in the society that needs some light and salt, pour vile, discarding statements about their faith, and knowledge of the truth. I wish sometime I could be like Paul, and say some things to them like he did in couple of his letters, but “I will let Him who judges rightchesly, and knows the heart of man do that”

Wow! Thanks Paul for your stand for Christ as a young man during the Soviet days! I think it must grieve the Lord when young LC people speak publicly that anyone not in the LC is outside of God’s will and not approved by Him, when there are saints like your grandparents and parents who suffered for Christ under communism.

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by HERn

Wow! Thanks Paul for your stand for Christ as a young man during the Soviet days! I think it must grieve the Lord when young LC people speak publicly that anyone not in the LC is outside of God’s will and not approved by Him, when there are saints like your grandparents and parents who suffered for Christ under communism.

Hi HERn,

I guess I should have made a point more clearer regarding what I said. I don’t consider anything that nether my grandparents or great grandparents went through to be suffering per say, (I’m very certain that they all would say it was a privilege). And that’s what happens when you already know the truths, WHICH WAS NEVER LOST TO BEGIN WITH, NEVER NEEDED TO BE RECOVERED, and stand for it as a true believer. That knowledge of the truth, and unwavering belief, will bring those things into your life even in America today.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

Nell,

That’s precisely what I’m saying, there is no such thing as Christian unbeliever, but there is such demeaning doctrine in LC, that unless you are a Christian that meets outside the ground of the TLR, you are most likely lost to the truth, and I have heard many times that it would be said “I can’t say whether or not one is a born again believer, since they oppose the “truth” of LSM”.

As far as I’m concerned, there are true born again believers in many denominations, and nondenominational churches. I can’t, and will not ever comply with devilish doctrines that TLR pedals as the truth. They are the most devicive, self-righteous system, along with JWs and Mormons. (I don’t consider JWs and Mormons to be Christians, just for clarifications). I also do not subscribe to the two tier Christians doctrine, also promoted by them (overcomer scam). It’s the most extrapolated and stretch out nonsense of self righteousness one could come up with. So, hopefully that answers your question.

Thanks.

Thank you for your clear testimony, Paul.

Nell