Calling the LC old timers, Describe the LC before the reign of Lee

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Cal

It's the only thing that makes sense. The blessing came due to the devotion of the people. The leaders including Lee just took credit for it. No doubt some general ideas pointed us in the right direction (Spirit/spirit, contacting the Lord, practical church, devotion), but WL's esoterica were really not the reason and became the problem.

Every couple weeks I hear of some other Christian teacher that is reputed to have sinned or promoted some type of error. This is just the nature of our exitance on this planet at this time. We know that we carry the flesh, and are all capable of its litany of manifested problems. If we dig deep enough, any teacher can be shown to have shortcomings in either their life or teachings or both. Nothing should surprise us in that respect . . . nothing.

And of course, we point out the error, but we really should not be that surprised. Then we are called to forgive them . . . as hard as that may seem, the Lord is emphatic that we forgive.

Any teacher is prone to say and teach things in error . . . any of them (again, because of the flesh and overall human limitations). Now we may judge that certain ministering ones are better, but how accurate are our judgements, considering we carry the influence of the same flesh? We must admit that at the end of the day, we are all just sheep! Some sheep may think they're better, and smarter (even thinking they're not sheep), but that's how the Lord describes all of us.

So I think it's a stretch to say the leaders of the LC were not responsible for ANY of the blessing we enjoyed back then. They were members of the body like the rest of us. Prone to errors? Sure, and some unfortunate big ones which harmed the body. But it's up to us to rightly divide what was according to sound teaching and what wasn't, just like any ministry.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Every couple weeks I hear of some other Christian teacher that is reputed to have sinned or promoted some type of error. This is just the nature of our exitance on this planet at this time. We know that we carry the flesh, and are all capable of its litany of manifested problems. If we dig deep enough, any teacher can be shown to have shortcomings in either their life or teachings or both. Nothing should surprise us in that respect . . . nothing.

And of course, we point out the error, but we really should not be that surprised. Then we are called to forgive them . . . as hard as that may seem, the Lord is emphatic that we forgive.

Any teacher is prone to say and teach things in error . . . any of them (again, because of the flesh and overall human limitations). Now we may judge that certain ministering ones are better, but how accurate are our judgements, considering we carry the influence of the same flesh? We must admit that at the end of the day, we are all just sheep! Some sheep may think they're better, and smarter (even thinking they're not sheep), but that's how the Lord describes all of us.

So I think it's a stretch to say the leaders of the LC were not responsible for ANY of the blessing we enjoyed back then. They were members of the body like the rest of us. Prone to errors? Sure, and some unfortunate big ones which harmed the body. But it's up to us to rightly divide what was according to sound teaching and what wasn't, just like any ministry.

Good to hear so wise and balanced words. Thank You StG!
I hope there is no hidden bitterness in my heart toward LC or any brother.
But I think, that in few cases I know ( from former members) the main reason of "so big" disappointment was "so big" expectation of that high pick revelation among saints.
The more we talk about heavenly things, the more we expect to see change and progress in our lives.
And the biggest problem was lack of simple "I am sorry, I was wrong".
But as You said by other words, when we care about our own relationship with Christ then we can see, that we are not better than others.
Thank You for redirecting to Christ.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Some sheep may think they're better, and smarter (even thinking they're not sheep), but that's how the Lord describes all of us.

A friend of mine's family ran a sheep ranch. He said sheep are the dumbest animals on the planet. He said they are born looking for a place to die. This irony should not be lost on us.

So I think it's a stretch to say the leaders of the LC were not responsible for ANY of the blessing we enjoyed back then. They were members of the body like the rest of us. Prone to errors? Sure, and some unfortunate big ones which harmed the body. But it's up to us to rightly divide what was according to sound teaching and what wasn't, just like any ministry.

I agree and I meant to imply that. Certainly leaders, including Lee, helped some. But what the LR would have us think is that it was the "uniqueness" Lee that made it happen.

I would say it was the unusually strong devotion of the whole movement that made it happen. The LR made clear that it did not want to be just another Christian church. That push increased devotion, which increased results. But there is a dark side to that as well, which we saw and experienced. Once you start believing your own PR, you're done.

But you're right, everyone is flawed. And everyone is blessed. If we could just keep it at that the Church overall would do much better.