Overcomer Doctrine (Merged Thread)

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Years ago, I was called into a "little dark room" as I came to know it, by 5 men who were called "elders" and I was "disciplined." I was terrified that night. I was filled with a fear that influenced my walk with the Lord for years after it happened.

This whole sad story is just flat out wrong on so many levels. I'm so glad you have "recovered" from this mistreatment in the Recovery and the Comforter of the Lord has healed you, Nell. And thank you so much for sharing.

This ugly pattern was learned and duplicated from the top down. I doubt these elders would have treated you this way if they operated as an independent "local church, each answering to the Lord" as we were taught and sang in that song. (Hymns #824)

In this regard WL totally misrepresented God, a loving and righteous Father who cares for all of His children. Brutal and unrighteous abuses such as this were portrayed as "bearing the cross." This kind of unrestrained power thrust upon silent subservient devotees made monsters out of the leadership, all patterned by how WL treated his circle of lieutenants.

Moses misrepresented God when the Israelites were stubborn and naughty and he suffered loss. Then how about elders who misrepresent God to the little ones in their congregations who have done nothing wrong?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This whole sad story is just flat out wrong on so many levels. I'm so glad you have "recovered" from this mistreatment in the Recovery and the Comforter of the Lord has healed you, Nell. And thank you so much for sharing.

This ugly pattern was learned and duplicated from the top down. I doubt these elders would have treated you this way if they operated as an independent "local church, each answering to the Lord" as we were taught and sang in that song. (Hymns #824)

In this regard WL totally misrepresented God, a loving and righteous Father who cares for all of His children. Brutal and unrighteous abuses such as this were portrayed as "bearing the cross." This kind of unrestrained power thrust upon silent subservient devotees made monsters out of the leadership, all patterned by how WL treated his circle of lieutenants.

Moses misrepresented God when the Israelites were stubborn and naughty and he suffered loss. Then how about elders who misrepresent God to the little ones in their congregations who have done nothing wrong?

Thanks, Ohio. I appreciate your care and concern.

Nell

[Raptor]

The Bible clearly teaches 2 types or stages of being victorious:

1.) Victorious over unbelief - instantaneous, when you first believe, unconditional, by faith.
...this is the victory having overcome the world: our faith. 1 John 5:4.

2.) Victorious over Satan, the flesh, worldliness - takes time, throughout your entire life, conditional, by works.

....I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one. 1 John 2:14.

Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:25.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15.