Christ and the church is the Kingdom (semi-private discussion)

[OBW]

As the result of my response to a certain post relating to a change in direction of the “LCS Factor” thread on 2/3/2010 spearheaded by PriestlyScribe, tasteslikegold commented on mine and a discussion arose that was somewhat separate from the one PriestlyScribe was carrying on.

The title for the thread is not necessarily the whole of the topic, but was the first item that came up as a disagreement.

In an attempt to move our discussion, I identified some specific posts that were to be moved to a new thread. Unfortunately, it appears that technology got in the way and some of the intended posts were moved but not all, and a few that were not intended were also moved. So that we can begin our discussion, I have located all of the relevant posts where they currently reside. They are either in the “LCS Factor” thread (“LCSF”) or the “There is a Solution2” thread (“TIAS2”). They are (in chronological order with their current “home” and post # noted — times are based on Central time):

TIAS2 #1 (03-01-2010, 10:45 PM) by PriestlyScribe (the catalyst for the discussion)
LCSF #1328 (03-02-2010, 09:15 AM) by OBW (my response to PS)
LCSF #1329 (03-02-2010, 03:24 PM) by tasteslikegold
TIAS2 #4 (03-02-2010, 04:04 PM) by OBW
TIAS2 #5 (03-02-2010, 05:26 PM) by tasteslikegold
LCSF #1336 (03-03-2010, 09:22 AM) by OBW
TIAS2 #7 (03-03-2010, 09:32 AM) by OBW
TIAS2 #8 (03-03-2010, 11:23 AM) by tasteslikegold
TIAS2 #9 (03-03-2010, 12:29 PM) by OBW
LCSF #1338 (03-03-2010, 02:03 PM) by OBW
TIAS2 #11 (03-03-2010, 03:45 PM) by OBW
LCSF #1341 (03-04-2010, 09:25 AM) by OBW

As tasteslikegold suggested, I did my rather lengthy monologue based on his (may be a presumption to say “his,” but I’m sure that will be clarified) and now we will start discussing.

I presume that we will take one specific issue and discuss it until we are either closer to agreement, or at least understand the reasons that we are at an impasse. Either is acceptable as I do not remember any of this involving core items of the faith. (I would hope that we could agree on those at a minimum.)

For all who are observing, this is not necessarily a closed discussion, although we both request that any input be related to the discussion we are having and that it be added in a respectful manner. That does not preclude passion in your speech. We just do not want to insult each other or anyone else. This is not about me or TLG, but about understanding what we perceive to be truth.

This may not be ideal, but I think we both agree it would be better to start now than to wait any longer. The discussion has languished long enough.