Lee's Trinity

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

From reading the last number of posts over the past few days, I am reminded of the real heart of the matter when it comes to "Lee's Trinity". The real problem, such as it is, is that Witness Lee put the emphasis on God changing - God needing to change, rather than the great and undeniable need for change in his fallen creation...

Disagree, I think you are wrong. Both God and man went (or will go through) a change. Christianity itself is based upon a belief that God changed - "God became a man". S. Lewis (quoting an early church person) said it best: "The Son of God became a man that men might become sons of God.". We could rephrase that to say - "God changed so that we might change".

I like your approach to focus on the core matter. But it's possible you are making the same mistake that Jews or Muslims take, and some Christians. They don't believe God changes or becomes anything - not human, not rock, not animal, not "another god". etc. They take the Old Testament and use it to disprove the New Testament. For example, they say because the Old Testament says "God is One", then God cannot be Trinity. They also say "God does not have sons", so Jesus cannot be His Son. And now you are saying, "God does not change", therefore God cannot change. But the Revelation of the New Testament turns that logic on its head. The Jewish converts themselves had to re-think their concept of God - he was now a Trinity, he had a Son, and this is God in the flesh - God became human.

One key change or process that God went through was that humanity was added to divinity. Before Jesus, God had no human element. After Jesus, God has a human element. Everyone might accept that Christ was fully God, divine, before His birth.

But do we believe that Christ is now fully God *and* fully human, not creating a third substance, and not being two persons but one person?

Christ was God, fully divine, Christ became human, a God-man. Now, Christ, who is God, is fully God and fully human. God went through a process, a change - God changed.