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The "Functions" of the Parts of Man
One of the things that is so often troubling about the LRC is this need to be "in your spirit" or looking for God "in your spirit." This is tied to Nee's/Lee's definitions of the parts of man. So in many ways, much of LRC theology hangs off of Nee's work in defining the functions of the parts of man.
In The Spiritual Man, Part I, Chapter 2, Nee first lays out his analysis of verses that support his “functions” of the human spirit and the soul. There have been several times over the years that at least some of these have been brought out for discussion, but too often those discussions were met with such lock-step declaration that whatever Nee or Lee said was simply correct that they eventually died out. I’m thinking that maybe we could try it one more time. Maybe the way to do it is to take it on one aspect at a time. So here is the first portion: Quote:
Merriam-Webster provides the following: Quote:
And with that definition, so many of Nee’s verses simply fall away. Being hardened (Deut. 2:30), contrite (Psa. 34:18), a coward (2 Tim. 1:7), or in slavery (Rom. 8:15) are not matters of conscience. Neither is being “present” (1 Cor. 5:3). Being provoked concerning the state of a city (“full of idols” in Acts 17:16) may have some relationship to our own internal compass, but I believe that the context would indicate that it is a better understanding that Paul was “greatly distressed” and the term “spirit,” even if actually present, is part of a compound phrase that speaks of a condition or emotion rather than of something concerning a “part of man.” And since “great distress” in this case is an emotion, it is interesting that Nee declares that emotions are not part of the spirit, but of the soul. A lack of peace in spirit or mind as described in 2 Cor. 2:13 is not a matter of inner compass concerning righteousness. It is an emotional response to the lack of support or comfort since his coworker, Titus, was not there. A “steadfast spirit” (Psa. 51:10) could relate to a conscience that yells a little louder and more consistently. But “steadfast” is generally a description of determination, therefore of the will (which Nee will later assert is about the soul, not the spirit). A conscience is generally referred to as keen or soft. The reference to pure heart is closer to speaking of the conscience than is the “steadfast spirit.” Jesus being “troubled in His spirit" (John 13:21) does not seem to fall within the definition of conscience. Did the being troubled indicate that there was something bothering Jesus concerning his own actions? Or was it instead troubling knowledge concerning the action that another was pre-ordained to take? Your conscience does not predict the error of others. It stops your own error (or attempts to do so). Last, whether or not you are a child of God is not a matter of internal moral compass (Rom. 8:16). Did any of this actually refer to the conscience? I am hard-pressed to find that it is so. Yet we all listened and/or read these things and simply accepted them as true. Why was that? What caused us to refrain from considering the words spoken and establishing that they were, in fact, not saying anything which could be claimed to be evidence of the thing that Nee sought to establish? Shall we move on to the next part? I probably can’t get to it until next week, so think about them. Go look at The Spiritual Man in the LSM online treasury. They leave this junk out there for us to critique. While I will let that last statement stand, I will admit that it was a kind of poisoning of the well. I do not want anyone to fail to give what I have said as strong (or stronger) a critique as I have given Nee. I am clear that I am fallible. But I do believe that all you will be able to find is a better or alternate version of something that does not support Nee. I honestly believe that he had an idea and went fishing for something to support it. He may have done it without intent to fool anyone or be in error. But I believe that is exactly what he did. You may not agree with my alternate view. And you may be able to pick it apart. But can you support Nee?
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