I'm Still In The Lord's Recovery, But I Never Really Understood This

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

...The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

The "elders" can be grossly insensitive. The person who helped me most was not even a Christian, but what I can only characterize as a "raw" unbeliever. Yet he helped me when I needed it most. The "elder" only called me out for missing meetings.

Nell

Originally Posted by Nell

The "elders" can be grossly insensitive. The person who helped me most was not even a Christian, but what I can only characterize as a "raw" unbeliever. Yet he helped me when I needed it most. The "elder" only called me out for missing meetings.

Nell

I understand what you mean - Honestly, one thing I've found in common amongst pretty much 99% of LC members are that, they can't even realize what they've done wrong or neither do they apologize for a tiny little matters which was all caused by them.

That tells me that most of them are not humble (too bad for them) but ain't no one got time to deal with those shallow minded individuals. Overtime, I've learned to ignore them at all cost and move on.

Not being humbled = not apologizing to anyone and mocking other Christians outside LC.

All they care about is knowledge, and not love or helping others. If you're up to their standard they like you, if you're not up to their standard like me, they ignore the hell out of you lol.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I hear what you’re saying about a “bunch of church kids” who “don’t get out much,” but we in the Midwest LC’s found out how very exclusive the Blended Brothers were when they excommunicated us. I had given my best decades to the Recovery, only to find out how divisive the Anaheim leadership post-Witness Lee had actually become. I was shocked. My church value system exploded.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I hear what you’re saying about a “bunch of church kids” who “don’t get out much,” but we in the Midwest LC’s found out how very exclusive the Blended Brothers were when they excommunicated us. I had given my best decades to the Recovery, only to find out how divisive the Anaheim leadership post-Witness Lee had actually become. I was shocked. My church value system exploded.

Sorry that you had to go through this. But on the other hand, them doing something like that (excommunicating others) you realize where they are at spiritually. You'd have to feel sorry for them for doing something like that.

At that moment, I'm sure you realized the only person you can truly trust is the Lord. I've been excommunicated a couple of times, so I'm 100% with you.

I'm not really sure what they mean by "division" because it's usually caused by LC members. It's typically someone said or did something terrible to those individuals. They need to own up and apologize like a humbled person, and divisions could've been avoided.

Most people in my generation left the church because of someone else within LC offending them to the uttermost (let's not forget they (LC members) still, to this day, don't apologize).

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

Locality aside, the actual ministry they subscribe to is very exclusive. While some localities may be less, the LSM content is. It’s important to separate the two.

[Zezima]

Also, why is this reply to my thread, now a new thread? Why are the mods trying to control the discussion?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Zezima

Locality aside, the actual ministry they subscribe to is very exclusive. While some localities may be less, the LSM content is. It’s important to separate the two.

I have concluded that there is some "feel good pride" in their ministry that appeals to our fallen self. Continually hearing and reading that only we had all the riches of Christ made me feel special. Being regularly equipped to condemn all other Christians and churches lifted me up. Actually pride is such a wonderful feeling, and so "enjoyable." It's no wonder we can be so easily deceived and puffed up by all of the knowledge we received.

[UntoHim]

Sorry bro. Z, I made this a new thread to give the new guy a venue to give a further "Introduction and Testimony"...cause, ya know, that's what this sub-forum is all about. So let's see what develops with our new friend and maybe we can move the "What is the point of control" thread over to the main section where it belongs. Fair enough?
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[UntoHim]

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[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have concluded that there is some "feel good pride" in their ministry that appeals to our fallen self. Continually hearing and reading that only we had all the riches of Christ made me feel special. Being regularly equipped to condemn all other Christians and churches lifted me up. Actually pride is such a wonderful feeling, and so "enjoyable." It's no wonder we can be so easily deceived and puffed up by all of the knowledge we received.

In the first chapters of 1 Corinthians, Paul exposes the pride the Corinthinans had by selectively and exclusively choosing someone to follow whom they thought was the wisest or greatest. Paul tells them that on the contrary, those they have chosen are just servants and nothing and that believing they are something and exclusively following them is divisive, inmature, wordly, the way of man, unscriptural and pride.

What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,”a or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul. 1 Cor. 1:12-13.

Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31

For you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man? 4For when one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men? 5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, as the Lord has assigned to each his role. 1 Cor. 3:3-5.

So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 1 Cor. 3:7

Therefore, stop boasting in men. 1 Cor. 3:21

So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 1 Cor. 4:1

Brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written. Then you will not take pride in one man over another. 7 For who makes you so superior?. 1 Cor. 4:6-7

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel, and “church”, cannot help nobody!!! They use all the good Christian vocabulary, but it’s as dead as the man that invented it! Good luck to those who still a full time subscribers, hopefully before it’s all set and done, there will be a moment in everyone’s lives when you actually do some thorough testing of the ways and the teachings. There is only one hope, and one chance, that’s the Almighty God somehow intervenes in the current state of affairs. I pray He does, for the sake of those real believers who got duped by the cunning ways, and the deception of man!

[LeftLR]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel, and “church”, cannot help nobody!!! They use all the good Christian vocabulary, but it’s as dead as the man that invented it! Good luck to those who still a full time subscribers, hopefully before it’s all set and done, there will be a moment in everyone’s lives when you actually do some thorough testing of the ways and the teachings. There is only one hope, and one chance, that’s the Almighty God somehow intervenes in the current state of affairs. I pray He does, for the sake of those real believers who got duped by the cunning ways, and the deception of man!

Agree, Paul .. As I am reading 2 Peter chapter 2, Recovery movement full with false teachers and destruction opinions. Like 2 Peter 2:10 "10 This is especially true for those who follow after the corrupt cravings of the sinful nature and defy the Lord’s authority. These reckless, brash people aren’t afraid to insult the glorious ones"

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel

I have a hard time agreeing with the gospel in the LR being fake. I was brought to salvation through this group. What about the gospel do you think they fabricated?

[LeftLR]

i was in Anaheim for few years and personally experienced verbal warming and "right-on-to-my-face" about me as a bad Christian, from leading men / core leaders in LSM. One person even told me my salvation is in-valid and i have to dump my non-Recovery Bible to trash or burn it or i will go to hell.

[Trapped]

I can confirm that I have heard speaking that any other version of the Bible is considered "leaven" and only the Recovery Version is "pure" and full of riches.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Trapped

I can confirm that I have heard speaking that any other version of the Bible is considered "leaven" and only the Recovery Version is "pure" and full of riches.

“Back in my day” living in the wild, wild, Midwest LC region aka greater Cleveland, I knew many brothers who talked about having many versions of the Bible. Literally dozens. Some would frequent used book stores looking for “gold.” I was by no means a serious collector, but even I had more than a dozen, including a rare Godspeed, I think found while escorting my wife yardsailing on vacation. Nowadays with Bible apps even the newborn Christian can digitally access every version known to man.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

I'm no expert. I can't always smell euphemisms when they're drifting in the air. But what I bought into about one church one city took on the smell of a euphemism ... or maybe a grand irony.

Seems inclusivity is a euphemism ... for being exclusive ; exclusive's pushing inclusivity. They were cancel culture before it became popular.

But maybe what I smell is what was said by Nee/Lee of T. Austin Sparks, that he was passing gas.

There's certainly the smell of gas in the local churches of Witness Lee ; it's called MOTA.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

I’m sorry. This is a natural consequence of lack of mental/spiritual diversity, group think, and tribalism. There are sweet ppl in the group, but the overall lack of empathy and true emotion is nothing short of creepy. It’s hard to see clearly until you’re out. Good luck!