Was Lucifer/Satan a cherub, seraph or archangel?

Raptor · 11-06-2020, 02:12 PM

It´s pretty clear according to Ezekiel 28 that he is called a cherub. YET, very interestingly, when the Lord instructed Moses in Numbers to make the serpent and mount it on a pole, the actual word used in Hebrew is “seraph”, which is the singular form of the plural “seraphim”. The Hebrew word “seraphim” is used in Isaiah 6 when the prophet sees God´s throne room and describes the amazing,holy creatures there and calls them seraphim. The English translators simply transcribed the Hebrew word into English and redenred it “seraphim” in these verses in Isaiah.

Yet in others contexts where the Hebrew word “seraph” is used, it refers to snakes, the actual slithering reptile. And the translations in English do translate it as “snakes” or “fiery serpents” in those contexts. Why the change? I read one commentary that stated that the translators did not want to use “fiery serpents” for the holy creatures in Isaiah because of the negative connotaion the word “serpent” has and using it to describe the holy creatrues would be problematic. So not knowing what to do, the translators just transcribed it into “seraphim.”

Now when Numbers speaks about the snakes that bit the Israelites it uses another word for snake, “na-chash”. But when the Lord spoke about making one and lifting it up on a pole, He used “SERAPH”!!!!! So it would read like this: “Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a SERAPH (fiery serpent) and mount it on a pole. When anyone who is bitten looks at it, he will live.” Num. 21:8. So, we could also translate it this way when the Lord refers to that verse in John 3:14, “Just as Moses lifted up the SERAPH (snake) in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.”

Obviously the picture of the venomous snakes is a picture of Satan and sin, and the pole of the Son of Man being lifted up on the cross and made sin on our behalf. Yet He refers to Satan as a SERAPH!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Satan was like a combo of both cherub and seraph. Even maybe having the dual function of priest and king. In Revelation 4, the living creatures are similar to the cherubim described in Ezekiel, but have 6 wings like the seraphim in Isaiah. So even there, they seem to be a combo cherub-seraph. Whehter cherub or seraph or both, looks like he might have not been an archangel, but this kind of other creature, even higher than archangels. Even Michael the archangel would not pronounce a reviling judgement against Satan, but referred to the Lord to rebuke him.

jigsaw44 · 11-09-2020, 09:22 AM

He was a motor home company....

Raptor · 11-09-2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jigsaw44

He was a motor home company....

Nell · 11-11-2020, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jigsaw44

He was a motor home company....

What jigsaw44 said! :-)

11-06-2020, 02:12 PM	#1
Raptor Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 414	Was Lucifer/Satan a cherub, seraph or archangel? It´s pretty clear according to Ezekiel 28 that he is called a cherub. YET, very interestingly, when the Lord instructed Moses in Numbers to make the serpent and mount it on a pole, the actual word used in Hebrew is “seraph”, which is the singular form of the plural “seraphim”. The Hebrew word “seraphim” is used in Isaiah 6 when the prophet sees God´s throne room and describes the amazing,holy creatures there and calls them seraphim. The English translators simply transcribed the Hebrew word into English and redenred it “seraphim” in these verses in Isaiah. Yet in others contexts where the Hebrew word “seraph” is used, it refers to snakes, the actual slithering reptile. And the translations in English do translate it as “snakes” or “fiery serpents” in those contexts. Why the change? I read one commentary that stated that the translators did not want to use “fiery serpents” for the holy creatures in Isaiah because of the negative connotaion the word “serpent” has and using it to describe the holy creatrues would be problematic. So not knowing what to do, the translators just transcribed it into “seraphim.” Now when Numbers speaks about the snakes that bit the Israelites it uses another word for snake, “na-chash”. But when the Lord spoke about making one and lifting it up on a pole, He used “SERAPH”!!!!! So it would read like this: “Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a SERAPH (fiery serpent) and mount it on a pole. When anyone who is bitten looks at it, he will live.” Num. 21:8. So, we could also translate it this way when the Lord refers to that verse in John 3:14, “Just as Moses lifted up the SERAPH (snake) in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.” Obviously the picture of the venomous snakes is a picture of Satan and sin, and the pole of the Son of Man being lifted up on the cross and made sin on our behalf. Yet He refers to Satan as a SERAPH!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe Satan was like a combo of both cherub and seraph. Even maybe having the dual function of priest and king. In Revelation 4, the living creatures are similar to the cherubim described in Ezekiel, but have 6 wings like the seraphim in Isaiah. So even there, they seem to be a combo cherub-seraph. Whehter cherub or seraph or both, looks like he might have not been an archangel, but this kind of other creature, even higher than archangels. Even Michael the archangel would not pronounce a reviling judgement against Satan, but referred to the Lord to rebuke him.

11-09-2020, 09:22 AM	#2
jigsaw44 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 118	Re: Was Lucifer/Satan a cherub, seraph or archangel? He was a motor home company....