LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[SerenityLives]

Hello all, I am representing all the queerfolk, trans, bisexual, basically lgbtqia, since the last one landed in a disaster. and I would like to form a civilized discussion. No name calling etc. So what are ex-LC members experience with those they know who have left the church due to their own or friends/ family members’ different sexuality and gender identity issues? and what are you guys’ stance on this hot topic.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Hello all, I am representing all the queerfolk, trans, bisexual, basically lgbtqia, since the last one landed in a disaster. and I would like to form a civilized discussion. No name calling etc. So what are ex-LC members experience with those they know who have left the church due to their own or friends/ family members’ different sexuality and gender identity issues? and what are you guys’ stance on this hot topic.

Hi and welcome back! I think you are the same person that started a LBGTQ discussion last year, are you not? I thought that discussion was civilized and don't remember any name calling . . . but I looked for the thread to review it a fresh and couldn't find it - perhaps it was deleted?

In any case, are you that sister who was having a relationship with another sister in the LC? If so, how has all that progressed?

Personally, I don't know anybody who left the LC regarding those types of issues, it least it's not an issue I know about.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Hi and welcome back! I think you are the same person that started a LBGTQ discussion last year, are you not? I thought that discussion was civilized and don't remember any name calling . . . but I looked for the thread to review it a fresh and couldn't find it - perhaps it was deleted?

Yes deleted. She and I are close long distant friends. She asked me to contact Untohim to have him delete the thread. It was shameful. I used to be the moderator of AltVs, until I departed over how she was treated on this forum.

Basically, LCD smells like the local church. Not because it's made up of exLCers, but because so many members still think like LCer's.

[UntoHim]

Down boy, awareness, down boy! You're cruzin for a bruzin my man.

As always, Harold, you are free to start your own Internet forum that will smell anyway you like! It's easy, and it's just about free. And as a cool side benefit, you can bellyache and vent all about UntoHim to your little heart's desire. Just think of all the fun you can have! Just say the word and I'll pay the setup fee and first months rent.

In the meantime, since you're playin on my dime, feel free to just answer the poster's question without involving moi.
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[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yes deleted. She and I are close long distant friends. She asked me to contact Untohim to have him delete the thread. It was shameful. I used to be the moderator of AltVs, until I departed over how she was treated on this forum.

Basically, LCD smells like the local church. Not because it's made up of exLCers, but because so many members still think like LCer's.

Maybe I didn't follow that thread long enough, but was there actual "name calling"? In any case, that shouldn't be condoned by us practicing believers in the Son of His love!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Maybe I didn't follow that thread long enough, but was there actual "name calling"? In any case, that shouldn't be condoned by us practicing believers in the Son of His love!

Son of love ... right!!!

We love those of ambiguous genitalia, without question. God made them that way. We can't insult Him for His handy work.

But then when God makes people queer, we've got to shun them, delegitimize them, dehumanize them ... as abominations of God.

Where's the love Jesus taught and lived?

Jud_1:21* Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Son of love ... right!!!

We love those of ambiguous genitalia, without question. God made them that way. We can't insult Him for His handy work.

But then when God makes people queer, we've got to shun them, delegitimatize them, dehumanize them ... as abominations of God.

Where's the love Jesus taught and lived?

Jud_1:21* Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

The foundation for all God does regarding us is love. However, man chose this mess we're in now, and God came in Christ to rescue us . . . because of His love for His created creatures. Only His Spirit can separate what is of Him and what has been man-made - whether as a result of the original error of our forefather Adam, or some subsequent decision.

Therefore, the idea that God made some people LGBTQ is not a settled fact in my mind: Because God created us, then man fell and our glorious, created bodies became flesh. Flesh, which all humans have, is now capable of all sorts of things not in-line with Him.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

But then when God makes people queer, we've got to shun them, delegitimize them, dehumanize them ... as abominations of God.

Where's the love Jesus taught and lived?

What planet are you from?

Those of Judeo-Christian background treat gay and lesbians better than any place on earth. Ever study what muslim, communist, or fascist countries do to them?

Methinks your anti-Christian bias is distorting the facts.

Matter-of-fact the gay and lesbian community in the US now enjoys the highest per capita income than any other group. Where is the discrimination? Also, the gay and lesbian community is protected by hate crime legislation which I am not entitled to. If someone kills me because they hate the way I look, there is no hate crime for that, but if the reverse occurs, I am subject to extra judgment. This simply means that their life is more valuable than mine. Think about that.

So much for "dehumanizing and delegitimizing."

It's time to grow up and get over whining about some phony victim status.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Basically, LCD smells like the local church. Not because it's made up of exLCers, but because so many members still think like LCer's.

And here we have our old friend awareness once again criticizing folks for how they think.

Even those on the way far left like avowed Wiccan zealot J.K.Rowling et.al. are protesting the ever-growing demands from the LGBTQ cancel culture community. Remember Rowling expressly wrote her Harry Potter books to introduce a whole generation of young people to Pagan Witchcraft.

But how dare anyone resist their demands or "think differently."

Originally Posted by Ohio

And here we have our old friend awareness once again criticizing folks for how they think.

Even those on the way far left like avowed Wiccan zealot J.K.Rowling et.al. are protesting the ever-growing demands from the LGBTQ cancel culture community. Remember Rowling expressly wrote her Harry Potter books to introduce a whole generation of young people to Pagan Witchcraft.

But how dare anyone resist their demands or "think differently."

I know that this is a little off topic but im curious, which sources did you come upon that expressedly stated Jk Rowling herself endorsed Wiccan craft? I’m just wondering because I thought the books were fictional and meant to be read that way.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I know that this is a little off topic but im curious, which sources did you come upon that expressedly stated Jk Rowling herself endorsed Wiccan craft? I’m just wondering because I thought the books were fictional and meant to be read that way.

There are links in the post.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And here we have our old friend awareness once again criticizing folks for how they think.

Even those on the way far left like avowed Wiccan zealot J.K.Rowling et.al. are protesting the ever-growing demands from the LGBTQ cancel culture community. Remember Rowling expressly wrote her Harry Potter books to introduce a whole generation of young people to Pagan Witchcraft.

But how dare anyone resist their demands or "think differently."

Check out wikipedia’s page of fake news sites, which includes your empirenews.net. Also this thread is not supposed to be focused on issues of the “far left”. Lets return to our discussion of lgbtq issues

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Check out wikipedia’s page of fake news sites, which includes your empirenews.net. Also this thread is not supposed to be focused on issues of the “far left”. Lets return to our discussion of lgbtq issues

But fake news we like is not fake news. It's factual .... hahahaha

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Hi and welcome back! I think you are the same person that started a LBGTQ discussion last year, are you not? I thought that discussion was civilized and don't remember any name calling . . . but I looked for the thread to review it a fresh and couldn't find it - perhaps it was deleted?

In any case, are you that sister who was having a relationship with another sister in the LC? If so, how has all that progressed?

Personally, I don't know anybody who left the LC regarding those types of issues, it least it's not an issue I know about.

Hello Sons of Glory, thanks for the warm welcome back. And yes, I am still with my partner, we are now both happily married. I remembered being called a “troll” and “hypocrite” a few times in the last thread but I want to put all that behind us and move forward I decided that the other thread wasnt productive due to being mindful that other ex LCers coming across it who are also struggling with their sexual/gender identity, which may lead to hopelessness for them.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Hello Sons of Glory, thanks for the warm welcome back. And yes, I am still with my partner, we are now both happily married. I remembered being called a “troll” and “hypocrite” a few times in the last thread but I want to put all that behind us and move forward I decided that the other thread wasnt productive due to being mindful that other ex LCers coming across it who are also struggling with their sexual/gender identity, which may lead to hopelessness for them.

I know gays who are deep in the closet, while staying in the local church. It would be nice if this thread allowed them to come out of the closet.

But fat chance. The LC will always force those that can't help being gay, into the closet ... or out the door. And LCD is the same.

Thank God for SerenityLives. She grew up in the LC, and she still turned out to be gay. Proving, it's not environmentally caused, but naturally caused.

So ... Paul didn't know what he was talking about. Or he was speaking to an audience of that day ... not to us today.

I skimmed the thread thus far but decided not to engage in the bickering.

Instead, I want to say I love Jesus. I'm a follower of Christ and the Great Divine. I'm also unapologetically Bi. I don't believe it is a sin. I believe the Bible has been mistranslated and misinterpretted making people assume that it is a sin.

My attraction to women has always been there, but part of me assumed all women felt that way (that women are attractive). Also, with homosexuality being judged culturally as I was growing up, I did my best to ignore those feelings.

It was the view of homosexuality within the church vs the *reality* of love shared between homosexuals, and compared to the verse "you will know them by their fruit" ultimately made me re-examine everything.

Is the fruit good that leads people to commit suicide after being kicked out and cut-off from their family because they love someone they "shouldn't"?

Is the fruit good that causes people to attack and kill homosexuals?

Or is the fruit good when you celebrate genuine love between two consenting adults who are enriched and built up by each other? Who can raise beautiful and well-adjusted children?

I prayed to God to reveal to me who He wanted me to be- who He designed me to be. I have kept my eyes on my God and He has led my down beautiful paths. I have accepted who I am, all of me, and I am much happier for it all. <3

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by BeingCalled

I skimmed the thread thus far but decided not to engage in the bickering.

Instead, I want to say I love Jesus. I'm a follower of Christ and the Great Divine. I'm also unapologetically Bi. I don't believe it is a sin. I believe the Bible has been mistranslated and misinterpretted making people assume that it is a sin.

My attraction to women has always been there, but part of me assumed all women felt that way (that women are attractive). Also, with homosexuality being judged culturally as I was growing up, I did my best to ignore those feelings.

It was the view of homosexuality within the church vs the *reality* of love shared between homosexuals, and compared to the verse "you will know them by their fruit" ultimately made me re-examine everything.

Is the fruit good that leads people to commit suicide after being kicked out and cut-off from their family because they love someone they "shouldn't"?

Is the fruit good that causes people to attack and kill homosexuals?

Or is the fruit good when you celebrate genuine love between two consenting adults who are enriched and built up by each other? Who can raise beautiful and well-adjusted children?

I prayed to God to reveal to me who He wanted me to be- who He designed me to be. I have kept my eyes on my God and He has led my down beautiful paths. I have accepted who I am, all of me, and I am much happier for it all. <3

Thanks for sharing your testimony. I also agree that the first commandment Jesus told us is to love our neighbor. And if you think about all the gay conversion camps, most of them don’t work. In fact, more kids end up having more depressive thoughts and higher likelihood of attempting or commiting suicide after being sent to these camps. This is why in California, it is illegal for therapists to do “gay conversion therapy” on children and adolescents even if their family/parents insist on it. Even the English word “homosexuality” was a mistranslation from the Greek words for describing males having nonconsensual sex with their male slaves. You have to look at the historical and cultural context in whoch Paul and other New testament authors were writing in, during the Roman times where all types of sex and temple prostitutes were common and not frowned upon by Greeks and Romans.
My first attraction of women started when I was in elementary school. I remembered a vivid dream of myself after Sunday children’s meeting, where I dreamed I was “Adam” with this obscure female in this garden (we were learning about the Genesis story) Now I dont know if I was already experiencing sin at the time, but it sure felt real.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Hello Sons of Glory, thanks for the warm welcome back. And yes, I am still with my partner, we are now both happily married. I remembered being called a “troll” and “hypocrite” a few times in the last thread but I want to put all that behind us and move forward I decided that the other thread wasn't productive due to being mindful that other ex LCers coming across it who are also struggling with their sexual/gender identity, which may lead to hopelessness for them.

Well al the best (Jesus) to you and yours!

Sexuality is certainly a fascinating thing, to be sure. So much of the drive to satisfy it are hormones raging in our bodies. I muse on that from time to time, because when younger we think it's SUCH A BIG DEAL! But as I'm getting older, the hormones aren't clouding my thinking nearly as strongly as before, which I find to be a good thing!

And it's not clear to me how it will all be with our new bodies. Jesus said in Matthew 22:30, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." So what does this mean? Will there not be gender or we just don't get married . . . or both? However, God did make Adam & Eve in His image and called them "good," so gender was in His plan.

In any case, we will be free of the flesh of sin and all the confusion will be gone!