POLL: How do you generally view the LC?

[Sons to Glory!]

Here's a couple questions that might be interesting/fun to answer, regarding how you generally view the LC. It's a two question rating. The first part is whether you think the LC is promoting "another Christ & another gospel." The second part is concerning how you generally view the LC as being a move of God.

Here's an A - F scale for the first part.

Regarding the LC promoting another Christ and/or Gospel, it's:
A = A totally genuine Christ & Gospel
B = A mostly genuine Christ & Gospel (a couple things questionable)
C = A little unorthodox Christ & Gospel
D = Mostly a different Christ & Gospel (questionable & very unorthodox)
F = A completely different Christ & Gospel

Here's a 1-10 scale to use for the second part.

The LC :
10 = Is God's one, fresh move on the earth
9 = Is a very key move of God
8 = Is an important move of God
7 = Is one move of God
6 = Was once a genuine move, but slowly faded over time
5 = Was once a genuine move, but quickly got corrupted
4 = Had a couple good things at best
3 = Was somewhat off the mark from the very beginning
2 = Always preached downright heresy
1 = Was and is a tool of Satan

I'll go first and provide an example. My answer is C5 (yes - "middle-of-the-road"). Which means I think the LC promotes a "Little unorthodox Christ & Gospel;" and "Was once a genuine move, but quickly got corrupted."

It should be interesting to see other's answers! (and we could put it on our signature line so everyone will know where we are coming from . . . OK, maybe too much )

[Ohio]

When you say "LC" do you really mean the teachings of WL and the Blendeds at LSM? Obviously there were nuanced views from locality to locality, based on the elders and the region. Also, concerning "another gospel," what was promoted when I first met has changed dramatically over the years.

[Freedom]

My response is C3

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Freedom

My response is C3

Thanks for your response. May I ask what region you were in?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Thanks for your response. May I ask what region you were in?

Southern California

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When you say "LC" do you really mean the teachings of WL and the Blendeds at LSM? Obviously there were nuanced views from locality to locality, based on the elders and the region. Also, concerning "another gospel," what was promoted when I first met has changed dramatically over the years.

I thought there might be a question about this. But rather than getting into all the subcategories of WL, LSM, WN, Blendeds, different regions, etc., I just put LC as a grouping of all. I guess if you also wanted to answer for specific categories, that's your prerogative.

Concerning things changing over the years, that's what the 2nd question is supposed to address.

[UntoHim]

The problem with StG's poll is that any movement based on the person and work of a mere human being(s) has great possibility to be ALL the things listed in both categories. The Local Church of Witness Lee is a movement of men based upon the person and work of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee, therefore at any given time, the LC could fit into any one of the categories..maybe even fit into different categories for different people at the very same time.

I'm always a little amused when people use this term "move of God", as if we can make a subjective judgment apart from what is plainly laid before us in the Word of God. It's kind of like making a subjective judgment or assessment of a man being an apostle apart from what is plainly laid before us in the Word of God. Witness Lee and his followers have always made these kind of judgments and assessments a "moving target". They define terms such as "move of God" and "apostle" so that they match up with their little sect and with their chosen guru. And this is why most other Christians (what little have even heard of WN/WL and the LC) have little to no respect or recognition of "The Lord's Recovery".

All this being said, my rating would be:
CDF - 321
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[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

I'm always a little amused when people use this term "move of God", as if we can make a subjective judgment apart from what is plainly laid before us in the Word of God. All this being said, my rating would be:
CDF - 321
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Thanks. I went back and forth and word-smithed the questions numerous times before arriving at the "move of God" phrase. But it seemed to be at least somewhat applicable, hopefully. Is there another term you could suggest that would be more appropriate for this quasi-scientific purpose?

Averaging your ratings together would be a D - 2, which is "A mostly different Christ & gospel" and "Always preached downright heresy." (but probably not completely like that when you first arrived)

May I ask where in TLR you were?

[Ohio]

The 3 LC's I was a part of would be A8 when I started with them, but now B6

[UntoHim]

I was in a number of the Local Churches in Orange County, mostly within 15 minutes of Anaheim, from about mid-70s to about late 80s. Probably only missed Witness Lee speak in person a hand full of times during that period. Was briefly volunteer "tape room" brother under Mr. Philip Lee. Saw a lot. Heard a lot. Sat at the feet of Witness Lee for better part of 2 decades. Kind of, sort of know what I'm talking about when it comes to the teachings and practices.

I lived in brothers houses with several of what are considered "Co-Workers" and "Blended Brothers". I knew them before they were even elders or "responsible brothers". Knew some of them before they graduated college or married. So you could say that my "general view" of the Local Church of Witness Lee is pretty well informed. Doesn't make my judgments and assessments any better or any worse than anyone else's...only that they are well-informed.

As far as your use of "move of God", I took it at face value...meaning legitimate move of God, something initiated by God and approved by God. Did you actually have something else in mind?
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[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

I was in a number of the Local Churches in Orange County, mostly within 15 minutes of Anaheim, from about mid-70s to about late 80s.

Thanks for that bro! I didn't know your background at all. There are a few still associated with the Scottsdale gathering that you perhaps crossed paths with. However, most of us here are either from the LCs in the Bay Area or the NW. I have to ask, since you rated the LC so low, why did you stick around there so long?

Regarding the "move of God" phrase, no, I think that is good enough for this - it communicates a basic perception and provides a springboard for dialogue I think.