Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit?

03-04-2020, 11:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSe...YdFvzDm6XfMO0Q

Blended brother Minoru Chen says he is "full of Witness Lee's spirit". This sounds like something cultish and creepy to me. Why do these people say these kind of things and not expect to be called a cult?

Freedom · 03-04-2020, 05:07 PM

This kind of stuff is why the cult label still sticks. It seems like they feel that they have the right to do whatever they want without being called a cult. Maybe that sense of entitlement is the real problem.

Nell · 03-04-2020, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggonit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSe...YdFvzDm6XfMO0Q
Blended brother Minoru Chen says he is "full of Witness Lee's spirit". This sounds like something cultish and creepy to me. Why do these people say these kind of things and not expect to be called a cult?

"Spiritual discernment is our God-given early warning system that lets us know something is wrong in the spiritual realm even though nothing appears wrong in the natural realm. The Holy Spirit indwells every believer, and He isn't passive when we encounter wrong spirits." The Bondage Breaker p. 184, by Neil T. Anderson

It sounds like your spiritual discernment has kicked in!

Minoru may have crossed a line here. He likely doesn't mean he is literally full of Witness Lee's spirit, but then again, maybe he does mean exactly that. If he believes that, he has been deceived by the father of lies. Such a thing is not supported by Scripture. That is, the "spirit" of one man (Minoru) can be filled with the "spirit" of another man, Witness Lee. You're right. To say such a thing is creepy and not only cultish, but could be occultish. Minoru, or any Christian, should never say such a thing under any circumstances.

My opinion: Minoru being filled with the spirit of Witness Lee is more likely a strong soulish connection and nothing of the Holy Spirit. Notice Minoru didn't claim it was a matter of the Holy Spirit. He should certainly never share this kind of stuff with other believers.

I'm not an authority by any means, but like you, this creeps me out.

Nell

Boxjobox · 03-05-2020, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggonit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSe...YdFvzDm6XfMO0Q
Blended brother Minoru Chen says he is "full of Witness Lee's spirit". This sounds like something cultish and creepy to me. Why do these people say these kind of things and not expect to be called a cult?

This sounds like a Xi Jinping move to take over the communist party and be the supreme leader. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Christian say they were full of the spirit of Paul or Peter or John. This kind of talk would lift the status of the dead WL to that above the apostles and equal to Jesus.

Sons to Glory! · 03-05-2020, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doggonit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSe...YdFvzDm6XfMO0Q
Blended brother Minoru Chen says he is "full of Witness Lee's spirit". This sounds like something cultish and creepy to me. Why do these people say these kind of things and not expect to be called a cult?

What can you say but WOW!!!???

Made me think of another group, the Seven Day Adventists - many of them could be said to be filled with a dead leader's spirit, namely Ellen G. White. And this is what you often touch when exposed to SDA teachings, etc. Just like with the LC . . . you don't touch Christ, but rather the shadow of a dead brother. (and of course it is not really their spirit, but I think rather a deceiving spirit that keeps them from Christ & divides from other believers)

Lord have mercy!

Weighingin · 03-05-2020, 02:32 PM

Could it be possible that his thought may be from 2 Kings 2:9, when Elisha requested of Elijah: “Let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.?”
However, except for John the Baptist being considered the one who comes in the spirit and power of Elijah, I am not aware of anything else. I haven’t heard of anything like this in Christian history also.

Curious · 03-05-2020, 04:51 PM

I suspect that Minoru Chen has had some spiritual encounter, a dream or a wakeful experience in which he has identified himself spiritually connected or sourced by the sense of Witness Lee in or around him. A subjective and likely a series of subjective such experiences.

I believe these to be the ruling demons over the LC and although they masquerade as the sense of the departed Witness Lee, they are counterfeit. Experiencing the dead is occultic and widely accepted as so in the non-Catholic, Christian world. Saul calling up Samuel, and OT prohibitions on calling up the dead etc. (That includes accepting, welcoming them to be floating around you, whether summoned or not). In calling them ruling demons I am referencing the book of Daniel, he waited 21 days while the angel fought the Prince of Persia.

These demonic rulers become strong when there is no repentance, no humility and no actual faith being exercised. So the idea that no regeneration can happen outside the LC is a direct lie. no real regeneration can actually happen within it! They are relying on the wrong things to provide regeneration!

I'm going to relate my own experience of the demonic hold over an LCer. I prayed a prayer to 'bind and muzzle' any demonic forces in the life of a particular LCer before meeting one time. just to see what, if anything, would happen. Then during the conversation, the most inappropriate and rather shocking reference popped right out of their mouth! it revealed their true inner narrative, and not their outward persona. if I was in any doubt as to the reference, the person confirmed it themselves, by becoming very anxious, unable to focus on any further conversation, and asking me repeatedly if I was OK. with no reason to consider I wasn't. I didn't take offence as I had prayed the prayer so it was as if this LCer had become suddenly unprotected without any knowledge of how. I chose not to do that again as I felt it would be to expose them to deliberate humiliation. I'm curious but not cruel.

I left concluding that the demons main agenda that I saw that day, was to enable the person to project quite a false persona. To create the sense of a totally appropriate, personable and agreeable impression. But at the same time, the person can carry their own inappropriate thoughts with no conscience. With the demons temporarily disabled, the truth is not under control anymore, so it's not happening automatically for them. I suspect therefore, that this will be a big issue in the LC behavior and dynamic of interactions between people.

Maybe if talking to LCers, binding the familiar spirits they operate under can help with reasoning with them. Just a thought.

Nell · 03-05-2020, 05:28 PM

There's a lot we don't know about Minoru's motivation for saying such a thing, but this discussion has brought forth a worse case scenario. Words matter and at best, Minoru is guilty of poor judgment.

Nell

03-05-2020, 05:55 PM

Anyone who really knows Minoru Chen knows that this is not something out of the ordinary for him. He talks like this all the time. He is not creepy at all. He is a very intelligent man. He always chooses his words very carefully. When he says he has brother Lee's spirit he means it. He believes it. He also believes that Witness Lee is in the meetings and saying "AMEN!" to every word he says. He has said this kind of thing over and over again for many years. Nothing new for this dude!

03-04-2020, 11:11 AM	#1
doggonit Guest Posts: n/a	Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSe...YdFvzDm6XfMO0Q Blended brother Minoru Chen says he is "full of Witness Lee's spirit". This sounds like something cultish and creepy to me. Why do these people say these kind of things and not expect to be called a cult?

03-04-2020, 05:07 PM	#2
Freedom Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,636	Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? This kind of stuff is why the cult label still sticks. It seems like they feel that they have the right to do whatever they want without being called a cult. Maybe that sense of entitlement is the real problem. __________________ Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

03-05-2020, 02:32 PM	#6
Weighingin Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 95	Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? Could it be possible that his thought may be from 2 Kings 2:9, when Elisha requested of Elijah: “Let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.?” However, except for John the Baptist being considered the one who comes in the spirit and power of Elijah, I am not aware of anything else. I haven’t heard of anything like this in Christian history also.

03-05-2020, 04:51 PM	#7
Curious Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 186	Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? I suspect that Minoru Chen has had some spiritual encounter, a dream or a wakeful experience in which he has identified himself spiritually connected or sourced by the sense of Witness Lee in or around him. A subjective and likely a series of subjective such experiences. I believe these to be the ruling demons over the LC and although they masquerade as the sense of the departed Witness Lee, they are counterfeit. Experiencing the dead is occultic and widely accepted as so in the non-Catholic, Christian world. Saul calling up Samuel, and OT prohibitions on calling up the dead etc. (That includes accepting, welcoming them to be floating around you, whether summoned or not). In calling them ruling demons I am referencing the book of Daniel, he waited 21 days while the angel fought the Prince of Persia. These demonic rulers become strong when there is no repentance, no humility and no actual faith being exercised. So the idea that no regeneration can happen outside the LC is a direct lie. no real regeneration can actually happen within it! They are relying on the wrong things to provide regeneration! I'm going to relate my own experience of the demonic hold over an LCer. I prayed a prayer to 'bind and muzzle' any demonic forces in the life of a particular LCer before meeting one time. just to see what, if anything, would happen. Then during the conversation, the most inappropriate and rather shocking reference popped right out of their mouth! it revealed their true inner narrative, and not their outward persona. if I was in any doubt as to the reference, the person confirmed it themselves, by becoming very anxious, unable to focus on any further conversation, and asking me repeatedly if I was OK. with no reason to consider I wasn't. I didn't take offence as I had prayed the prayer so it was as if this LCer had become suddenly unprotected without any knowledge of how. I chose not to do that again as I felt it would be to expose them to deliberate humiliation. I'm curious but not cruel. I left concluding that the demons main agenda that I saw that day, was to enable the person to project quite a false persona. To create the sense of a totally appropriate, personable and agreeable impression. But at the same time, the person can carry their own inappropriate thoughts with no conscience. With the demons temporarily disabled, the truth is not under control anymore, so it's not happening automatically for them. I suspect therefore, that this will be a big issue in the LC behavior and dynamic of interactions between people. Maybe if talking to LCers, binding the familiar spirits they operate under can help with reasoning with them. Just a thought.

03-05-2020, 05:28 PM	#8
Nell Admin/Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,100	Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? There's a lot we don't know about Minoru's motivation for saying such a thing, but this discussion has brought forth a worse case scenario. Words matter and at best, Minoru is guilty of poor judgment. Nell

03-05-2020, 05:55 PM	#9
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Minoru Chen is filled with Witness Lee's spirit? Anyone who really knows Minoru Chen knows that this is not something out of the ordinary for him. He talks like this all the time. He is not creepy at all. He is a very intelligent man. He always chooses his words very carefully. When he says he has brother Lee's spirit he means it. He believes it. He also believes that Witness Lee is in the meetings and saying "AMEN!" to every word he says. He has said this kind of thing over and over again for many years. Nothing new for this dude!