Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Church?

theLCfurry · 12-07-2019, 01:46 PM

I was watching a youtube video about abusive cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses today. I know that theres a lot of videos about the abuse going on inside the organization, but I tried to search up anything about the Lords Recovery and besides Cal's videos online, there was hardly anyone speaking out about the organization, which makes my blood boil that many people on YouTube are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and the abuse going on in the organization, yet hardly anybody is talking about the abuses in the Lord's recovery, which in my opinion, might operate a bit similarly. Theres less of this online, where hardly anyone has testimonies about it. I only find this type of discussion going on in this forum. Anyone might know why this is the case?

UntoHim · 12-07-2019, 05:07 PM

Well BJS103, it looks like you have a keyboard and a mouse....GO FOR IT! This is one of the reasons that LocalChurchDiscussions was initiated - to give a voice and venue for speaking out!

Keep in mind that not every former member (or current member for that matter) wants to post on places like Facebook where anonymous postings are not allowed (supposedly

) Some people still have family in the Local Church and do not want to see their relationships damaged. Also, many don't feel they have the burden or capacity to produce a YouTube video. Thus comes in the value and function of LCD.

Actually, I think the Lord is doing a wonderful thing lately among so many former Local Church members. Why, just in the past few days another helpful site has popped up - https://thelordsrecovery.org - Praise Him. Thank Him. God is speaking through the Body.
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theLCfurry · 12-07-2019, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UntoHim

Well BJS103, it looks like you have a keyboard and a mouse....GO FOR IT! This is one of the reasons that LocalChurchDiscussions was initiated - to give a voice and venue for speaking out!

Keep in mind that not every former member (or current member for that matter) wants to post on places like Facebook where anonymous postings are not allowed (supposedly

) Some people still have family in the Local Church and do not want to see their relationships damaged. Also, many don't feel they have the burden or capacity to produce a YouTube video. Thus comes in the value and function of LCD.

Actually, I think the Lord is doing a wonderful thing lately among so many former Local Church members. Why, just in the past few days another helpful site has popped up - https://thelordsrecovery.org - Praise Him. Thank Him. God is speaking through the Body.
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Also one quick question, is it a bad idea to ask a prominent youtuber (that was a former Jehovah's witness and is now an athiest) in the comments section who discusses about cults (ie Jehovah's witnesses) to take a look into the recovery and ask for his opinion about it?

Nuclear · 12-07-2019, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BJS03

Also one quick question, is it a bad idea to ask a prominent youtuber (that was a former Jehovah's witness and is now an athiest) in the comments section who discusses about cults (ie Jehovah's witnesses) to take a look into the recovery and ask for his opinion about it?

Thats a great idea, its got my approval!

Also just something to consider as to why there seem to be so many who speak out about Jehovah's Witness and so few with the LC is size.

JW has millions of members in North America alone, where the LC (the great and recovered and full of richness clearly) only has 25 000 or so. It just kind of follows that less people will be speaking out about it.

Its also sobering looking at numbers like that. The LC may seem like a giant to many of us, but in the grand scheme of things they are small and pathetic.

Sons to Glory! · 12-08-2019, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuclear

Also just something to consider as to why there seem to be so many who speak out about Jehovah's Witness and so few with the LC is size.

JW has millions of members in North America alone, where the LC (the great and recovered and full of richness clearly) only has 25 000 or so. It just kind of follows that less people will be speaking out about it.

Its also sobering looking at numbers like that. The LC may seem like a giant to many of us, but in the grand scheme of things they are small and pathetic.

Right - I was thinking the same thing: over the past 45 years, almost no one I've mentioned the LC to (outside of direct LC experience) has known anything about it! If someone knew about Watchman Nee, they may have had some awareness . . . but again, very, very few in the U.S. seem to have even heard of the LC.

OBW · 12-08-2019, 10:27 AM

Many have spoken on this forum (and its predecessor, run out of the Philippines) over many years. But certain parts of the discussion became less engaged, and those who did speak often do not continue to resurrect the old discussions because of 1) the disinterest of others, 2) the hijacking by the LC faithful, 3) or comments that it is old news.

Yes, it often is old news. Buried way back in the archives and never seen by the newcomers unless they have the will to dig through for themselves.

And maybe the real issue for today is simply the current structural issues and the abuse of the saints in their care. Maybe the more in-depth discussion of the problems in the underlying theology of both Lee and Nee are no longer needed. I've been gone too long to really know what is happening today except as it is reported here. I hear nothing about it from my brother or sister because the LC is the elephant in the room and no longer mentioned.

Trapped · 12-07-2019, 10:21 PM

Why?

DCP litigation, stalking, harassment.

Shunning, quarantining, being labeled divisive or negative.

Losing your whole social circle.

The threat that speaking up means rebellion against God.

Essentially, fear. The marker of an abusive group.

Also, skills to do the things you are mentioning. While it is easier than ever to put up a website or do a YouTube channel, maybe the older saints who would want to don't know how to, and the younger saints who may know how don't want to spend their time on it.

"The ministry" and DCP's responses are also so incredibly twisted and manipulative it takes a certain kind of person to want to sit down and wade through all the muck.

Ohio · 12-07-2019, 10:54 PM

Are all apostles? Do all speak in tongues?

That was one of Paul's responses to those who demanded the same actions from all.

I personally believe that the numerous and diverse posts on this forum have paved the way for other venues to be used. Without doubt, the internet has turned the tables on LSM's grip on information. Anonymous user forums were the first internet vehicle developed to meet this need. UntoHim and others started on the Bereans and then moved here when that platform fell apart. Personally I have always found that the insights of former members were far more beneficial than some outside expert.

Perhaps others will use Twitter feeds or some other social media. These recent messages by LSM prove how lttle control they still have over their members. Our goal was never to decimate the LC's, but rather to educate all the members, so that none of them are hurt or held in fear.

Freedom · 12-07-2019, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BJS03

I was watching a youtube video about abusive cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses today. I know that theres a lot of videos about the abuse going on inside the organization, but I tried to search up anything about the Lords Recovery and besides Cal's videos online, there was hardly anyone speaking out about the organization, which makes my blood boil that many people on YouTube are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and the abuse going on in the organization, yet hardly anybody is talking about the abuses in the Lord's recovery, which in my opinion, might operate a bit similarly. Theres less of this online, where hardly anyone has testimonies about it. I only find this type of discussion going on in this forum. Anyone might know why this is the case?

The LCM has a litigious reputation, and I think there is definitely an element of fear involved. No one wants to be targeted for simply speaking out. And that is exactly what the LC does.

As UntoHim mentioned, I think its encouraging to see the recent sites/videos that have appeared. Personally, I've been wanted to buy up a few domains to maybe have a couple sites, but when it comes to the content for those sites, I'm not sure what would be the best.

12-07-2019, 01:46 PM	#1
theLCfurry Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 34	Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Church? I was watching a youtube video about abusive cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses today. I know that theres a lot of videos about the abuse going on inside the organization, but I tried to search up anything about the Lords Recovery and besides Cal's videos online, there was hardly anyone speaking out about the organization, which makes my blood boil that many people on YouTube are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses and the abuse going on in the organization, yet hardly anybody is talking about the abuses in the Lord's recovery, which in my opinion, might operate a bit similarly. Theres less of this online, where hardly anyone has testimonies about it. I only find this type of discussion going on in this forum. Anyone might know why this is the case?

12-07-2019, 05:07 PM	#2
UntoHim Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,824	Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu Well BJS103, it looks like you have a keyboard and a mouse....GO FOR IT! This is one of the reasons that LocalChurchDiscussions was initiated - to give a voice and venue for speaking out! Keep in mind that not every former member (or current member for that matter) wants to post on places like Facebook where anonymous postings are not allowed (supposedly) Some people still have family in the Local Church and do not want to see their relationships damaged. Also, many don't feel they have the burden or capacity to produce a YouTube video. Thus comes in the value and function of LCD. Actually, I think the Lord is doing a wonderful thing lately among so many former Local Church members. Why, just in the past few days another helpful site has popped up - https://thelordsrecovery.org - Praise Him. Thank Him. God is speaking through the Body. - __________________ αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11

12-08-2019, 10:27 AM	#6
OBW Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: DFW area Posts: 4,384	Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu Many have spoken on this forum (and its predecessor, run out of the Philippines) over many years. But certain parts of the discussion became less engaged, and those who did speak often do not continue to resurrect the old discussions because of 1) the disinterest of others, 2) the hijacking by the LC faithful, 3) or comments that it is old news. Yes, it often is old news. Buried way back in the archives and never seen by the newcomers unless they have the will to dig through for themselves. And maybe the real issue for today is simply the current structural issues and the abuse of the saints in their care. Maybe the more in-depth discussion of the problems in the underlying theology of both Lee and Nee are no longer needed. I've been gone too long to really know what is happening today except as it is reported here. I hear nothing about it from my brother or sister because the LC is the elephant in the room and no longer mentioned. __________________ Mike I think . . . . I think I am . . . . therefore I am, I think — Edge OR . . . . You may be right, I may be crazy — Joel

12-07-2019, 10:21 PM	#7
Trapped Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 1,523	Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu Why? DCP litigation, stalking, harassment. Shunning, quarantining, being labeled divisive or negative. Losing your whole social circle. The threat that speaking up means rebellion against God. Essentially, fear. The marker of an abusive group. Also, skills to do the things you are mentioning. While it is easier than ever to put up a website or do a YouTube channel, maybe the older saints who would want to don't know how to, and the younger saints who may know how don't want to spend their time on it. "The ministry" and DCP's responses are also so incredibly twisted and manipulative it takes a certain kind of person to want to sit down and wade through all the muck.

12-07-2019, 10:54 PM	#8
Ohio Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greater Ohio Posts: 13,693	Re: Why isnt anybody besides Cal, Jo, and Andria speaking out about the Chu Are all apostles? Do all speak in tongues? That was one of Paul's responses to those who demanded the same actions from all. I personally believe that the numerous and diverse posts on this forum have paved the way for other venues to be used. Without doubt, the internet has turned the tables on LSM's grip on information. Anonymous user forums were the first internet vehicle developed to meet this need. UntoHim and others started on the Bereans and then moved here when that platform fell apart. Personally I have always found that the insights of former members were far more beneficial than some outside expert. Perhaps others will use Twitter feeds or some other social media. These recent messages by LSM prove how lttle control they still have over their members. Our goal was never to decimate the LC's, but rather to educate all the members, so that none of them are hurt or held in fear. __________________ Ohio's motto is: With God all things are possible!. Keeping all my posts short, quick, living, and to the point!