Shepherding Words "From The Co-Workers In The Lord's Recovery"

[Hannah]

I dont know if this is the right place to put this. But this is a new website addressing all those "rumors" and "lies." https://shepherdingwords.com/

Can you point out the 'misinformation' in this new website?
Thank you.

[Hannah]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can you point out the 'misinformation' in this new website?
Thank you.

Is that a genuine question? Have you allowed yourself to read about any of the items on the website not from the perspective of LSM? LCD is full of first hand accounts, I am relatively new so I wouldn't be able to point you to those.

The cognitive dissonance is so strong in the LC. Just because they say something isnt so, like people are free to meet anywhere, they arent an organization, there is no hierarchy, women are treated the same as men, there has never been a cover-up doesnt change what is actually true. A duck is a duck even if you insist on calling it a frog

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Hannah

I dont know if this is the right place to put this. But this is a new website addressing all those "rumors" and "lies." https://shepherdingwords.com/

Hannah, thank you for posting this. It is fascinating to see this group spin-doctoring. I for one stand behind every word of my testimony as true. God is true and in Him is no lie. If they want to bury the truth that is up to them, but I think they are on the wrong side of the line. I hope all the saints there innocent of the leaderships' ways and practices are led out by the Lord. I hope they all turn away from the wicked lies and practices and repent. Jesus is merciful! It is not too late.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Hannah

I dont know if this is the right place to put this. But this is a new website addressing all those "rumors" and "lies." https://shepherdingwords.com/

These wordsmiths at LSM/DCP are masters at spinning the facts for base gain.

Obviously the recent Facebook activity which spilled over to this forum has raised no small stir among the faithful still held captive in the Recovery.

This website, so called "Shepherding Words," in reality only steers the questioning faithful back to the bondage of Lee-ism. To these readers I can say that I concluded long ago never to trust LSM's version of events. LSM lost all respect when they decided to accuse beloved brother John Ingalls of orchestrating a global conspiracy in order to coverup the sexual transgressions of Philip Lee, who ran LSM for his Dad.

It's really just big business squashing the truth. Too bad none of us has the money to continually develop all of their expensive websites. When they quarantined the Midwest churches, their printing operations developed 28 beautiful booklets, the "attack pack," distributed freely. Same with local training sessions to coach dissidents how to sue their church -- just big business crushing LC's, the little flock of God.

[UntoHim]

Please post all responses to the various articles on ShepherdingWords.Com here on this thread

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[Truthseeker]

What's shepherdingword.com ? Is this website LSM's affliated?

[UntoHim]

Well it says "From the Co-Workers in The Lord’s Recovery in North America", so that would be a pretty big hint that this website is Living Stream Ministry affiliated.
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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Well it says "From the Co-Workers in The Lord’s Recovery in North America", so that would be a pretty big hint that this website is Living Stream Ministry affiliated.
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"From the Co-Workers?"

Don't these folks have any names, or are they hiding behind monikers like the posters here, as if we have the power and financial wherewithal to sue them, as they have done to so many others.

This "shepherdingword" website definitely is in response to all the scandals exposed by the Casteel Facebook site. Obviously it scared the Blendeds far more than our comments on this forum. I did not understand the power of Facebook until now.

YouTube too! Let's all up vote Cal's "Opinions Free" channel!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This "shepherdingword" website definitely is in response to all the scandals exposed by the Casteel Facebook site.

Silly me. I was expecting them to get into the scandals. But all I saw was spin.

And why didn't they put their names to the site? But then, they don't want anyone too know who's doing the spin-wash.

If a site or article doesn't have an author(s) then I don't give it any weight.

[UntoHim]

Terry Risenhoover posted the following on Facebook:

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DCP posted their latest website and I want to give five specific examples of how they lie by not telling the truth by avoiding the actual issue.

1. They do not address the fact that the sale of Daystar unregistered securities were a violation of Federal and State law.
2. They do not address the transfer of funds from a non profit to a for profit foreign entity.
3. They do not address the fact that the repayment of loans and some investors came from the charging of training fees.
4. They completely distorted, twisted and factually misrepresented the actual events related to Sal Benoit and the Church in Boston.
Sal confirmed that yesterday in an hour long conversation.
5. They completely misrepresent the testimonies of Max and Sandee Rapaport and many of us on this forum have first hand knowledge of this.
Time does not permit me to address the myriad of misrepresentations made throughout their website as I am preparing to take my wife for major surgery tomorrow morning and we would appreciate your prayers.
There is an ever growing mountain of evidence from co-workers, elders and former members that fully exposes the unrighteousness of the blended brothers.

Judgment begins at the House of God and we must first examine our own hearts and then pray for our deceived brethren because we too were once deceived and the Lord had mercy on us. The battle belongs to the Lord and the enemy is a vanquished foe so let us rejoice in the Lord and give God the Glory!

May God Bless all of you and may you feast on the unsearchable riches of Christ in His Word.

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[Ohio]

Here's another post concerning LSM/DCP from a FaceBook poster named John Thumper of Chicago. (not sure if that's his real name)

Here's some shepherding words for everyone: DCP hires private investigators, has pictures taken of people considered "opposing", and goes through their trash to look for information. They have rows and rows of file cabinets with information on people, genuine Christians mind you, who they consider "negative".

Maybe we missed that chapter in the book of Investigations in the Bible that described the underhanded tactics necessary in defending a now-admitted fallible human being's ministry that has been passed off for years as something we cannot question, disagree with, discern for ourselves, or proclaim the truth when it is flat out wrong, un-scriptural, and damaging.

Why so many meetings, Q&As, fearful warnings telling people to run away from simple printed words, letters among the leading ones, and now an entire dedicated website in response to one Facebook post that is just one drop in the gigantic ocean of Facebook posts in existence?

Is this behavior of a group that has nothing to hide? Is this behavior of a pure church that has the highest teachings and thinks they have so little need of anything else they actively and intentionally do everything they can to cut themselves off from the rest of the Body of Christ (those dear, genuine, Jesus-following fellow believers in "evil Christianity")?

We all know how we act when we don't want the truth to be discovered. We are getting a master class in it right now from LSM and DCP. Saints, start asking questions. God has a mind. We are created in His image. We are not made to "get out of our mind". Start using your God-given minds to think critically about what is going on.

[Weighingin]

They put something in there about the deposition of Max saying in which he said not all in the newspaper articles he was in was inaccurate. I had not read that before. All these years, he was the ambitious wolf who wanted to seize control of the recovery. There was the usual all lies and rumors and don't expose the deputy authority.
Then there's the ministry/minister of the age. Why did it only begin with Martin Luther? Who would have been the MOTA in the age of the church fathers? Was Augustine a MOTA?
I wonder if the co-workers live in the past? There does seem to be some advancement among the Christians about coming to know the Lord since WL first arrived in the USA.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Weighingin

They put something in there about the deposition of Max saying in which he said not all in the newspaper articles he was in was inaccurate. I had not read that before. All these years, he was the ambitious wolf who wanted to seize control of the recovery. There was the usual all lies and rumors and don't expose the deputy authority.

Yeah sure, as a newbie in the LC's, I saw the chaos caused by Max back in the 70's. But how could that have been bad for W. Lee? Where was the rebellion against Lee? Max's goal was simple: to incite all the young people to embrace Lee's latest "flow," called the "young Galilean's."

Oh, and I should mention that Max Rapoport rose to prominence at Lee's new global headquarters on Ball Road in Anaheim by traveling around the LC's instructing the saints to consider their Daystar investment an "offering." Was that not a fleecing? And who put him up to that? And who then promoted him?

I was there in those chaotic meetings in Cleveburg during the summer of 1977. The Max-induced conflict was between the elders (think Titus Chu) and some of the young people's leaders who were exceedingly zealous to be "faithful to Brother Lee's burden."

So here are two facts that LSM won't tell you about Max:

• How was Max trying to "seize control of the recovery" when the young people were all fired up by his ministry to zealously follow, not Max, but Brother Lee's burden?
• It was Witness Lee himself who authorized and instructed Max to go out to all the LC's and "shake things up" thus "liberating" the young people from the "control" of their elders.

When Max left he had a thorough repentance. He repented of any damaged he had caused by obeying Lee's orders. Too bad others have not learned from him.

[Weighingin]

Correction: I meant that not all was accurate in the Max newspaper articles.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Ohio

So here are two facts that LSM won't tell you about Max:

• How was Max trying to "seize control of the recovery" when the young people were all fired up by his ministry to zealously follow, not Max, but Brother Lee's burden?
• It was Witness Lee himself who authorized and instructed Max to go out to all the LC's and "shake things up" thus "liberating" the young people from the "control" of their elders.

When Max left he had a thorough repentance. He repented of any damaged he had caused by obeying Lee's orders. Too bad others have not learned from him.

Having read through these new DCP articles, it's incredible how much of a spin they will put on things and they're really just grasping at straws. There have been a lot of things said about Max, but what the article on Max focuses on is not even what I would consider to be important about the events surrounding him.

So Max gave a newspaper interview and regretted it later. Big deal. It really has nothing to do with his stance regarding the LC or the events leading up to him leaving. And of course they would never tell anyone why Max left or how WL had his hand in it.

[Trapped]

More articles have been posted

[Trapped]

I tried reading "The One Unique New Testament Ministry" but my skin was crawling so bad at the screaming lies coming off the presses that my skin crawled right off me.

Covering, Not Covering Up is just as bad.

They're all bad.

Cal, I guess you've got some more videos to do!

[UntoHim]

Were Max Rapoport and John Ingalls Forced Out?

In February 1978 some brothers informed Brother Lee that one of the co-workers, Max Rapoport, was seeking to undermine his work and ministry and to incite a “revolution” among the younger saints in the local churches. By the Lord’s leading Brother Lee did nothing to directly oppose Rapoport’s efforts or to expose his misconduct.

On July 10, 1988, John Ingalls and two other elders of the church in Anaheim went to see Brother Lee at his home and voiced “concerns” over many aspects of the direction of the work in the Lord’s recovery. They proposed to gather the leading co-workers and elders to pray, study the situation according to the Bible, and then fellowship regarding their concerns. Brother Lee agreed that the proposal was good and asked them to decide upon a date for the meeting. The next day Ingalls called Brother Lee to inform him that the three were unable to decide upon a date, but that they would do so and let him know when it would be. They never did.

Interesting. Not one mention of the misconduct of Witness Lee's "closest co-worker", Philip Lee. Not one mention of what the "concerns" of John Ingalls et al were at the time. We now know that Witness Lee was fully aware of the misconduct of his deviant and abusive son, much of it perpetrated upon volunteer sisters in the most despicable manner imaginable. No mention of the abuse of Max Rapoport's children, with Local Church kids attacking them at school and calling them "of the devil" and "aligned with Satan". No mention of the numerous times Ingalls and the other Anaheim elders pleaded with Witness to deal with his porn addicted and alcoholic son, and protect the sisters who were being abused. No mention of the last meeting that Ingalls attended and was viciously attached by the acting god, who proclaimed: "That Lee! Lee has to be famous!"
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[Freedom]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Interesting. Not one mention of the misconduct of Witness Lee's "closest co-worker", Philip Lee. Not one mention of what the "concerns" of John Ingalls et al were at the time. We now know that Witness Lee was fully aware of the misconduct of his deviant and abusive son, much of it perpetrated upon volunteer sisters in the most despicable manner imaginable. No mention of the abuse of Max Rapoport's children, with Local Church kids attacking them at school and calling them "of the devil" and "aligned with Satan". No mention of the numerous times Ingalls and the other Anaheim elders pleaded with Witness to deal with his porn addicted and alcoholic son, and protect the sisters who were being abused. No mention of the last meeting that Ingalls attended and was viciously attached by the acting god, who proclaimed: "That Lee! Lee has to be famous!"
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I'm not even sure how the people writing the articles posted on shepherdingwords.com expect to be taken seriously. Firstly, none of the authors have attached their name to any of the articles, so we don't even know if they were there, had first-hand knowledge, etc. Secondly, I don't see how they can even pretend to address these matters with just a few paragraphs. For example, there are numerous points made in John Ingalls' book that they don't even begin to address. They are going to have to try a lot harder.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Were Max Rapoport and John Ingalls Forced Out?

In February 1978 some brothers informed Brother Lee that one of the co-workers, Max Rapoport, was seeking to undermine his work and ministry and to incite a “revolution” among the younger saints in the local churches. By the Lord’s leading Brother Lee did nothing to directly oppose Rapoport’s efforts or to expose his misconduct.
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Let me just dismantle the falsehoods here.

• WL started his "Young Galileans" move or "flow"
• WL sent Max out from Anaheim to shake up the young people in the LC's
• Max NEVER undermined Lee's work or ministry
• The "revolution" was begun by WL and Max was his agent of change
• The "revolution" stirred up the young people against their elders
• Chaos sprung up in many LC's, with the young people accusing their elders of "undermining WL's burden"
• Then Max did the unthinkable -- confronting Philip Lee for molesting a sister, having an adulterous relationship at LSM offices
• When all hell broke loose, WL needed a convenient scapegoat
• Lee threw Max under the bus to preserve his own pristine image
• As with every "storm" it is labeled by Lee as a "rebellion"
• WL used an ancient Chinese custom of attacking your opponent by shaming his wife
• WL targeted Max's wife, humiliating her publicly as the "instigator of a sisters' rebellion
• "WL did nothing to directly oppose" Max??? Nothing could be further from the truth
• WL fabricated self-serving accusations about Max and his wife to protect his own family. He undermined righteousness by "shooting the messenger"
• Max repented of all his wrongdoing, WL never did

[Sons to Glory!]

It is interesting to me that they (Blended Brothers) put these things on the internet with the assumption that people will read and accept what is said wholeheartedly. And that they provide zero format for open, two-way fellowship regarding these things. It's like, "Here's the official history, and that's how it was. No need to entertain anything else (that would be getting in your mind and is of the devil). . . now that you know you can simply accept and move on."

[Trapped]

More articles are up.

Riddled with bad interpretations of the Bible.

[Trapped]

I was just thinking......the co-workers have really shot themselves in the foot with shepherdingwords.com. I mean, it's one thing to go along not knowing what offense people have with you, or to unintentionally not face issues.

But with shepherdingwords.com, there is a hard, public record of the co-workers:

1. being explicitly aware of the issues
2. showing understanding of the issues
3. and yet evading, manipulating, twisting, lying, and avoiding them.

And that last point - the knowing evasion, manipulation, lying - that's what God hates. The hardened heart. The unrepentant sin. The protection of darkness. Jesus showed much mercy to truthful sinners who showed godly sorrow. But no mercy and a lot of anger to hardened, manipulative, haughty people. The co-workers can't feign ignorance to God or man. God knows the hearts......and now He can show them a printout of their own website too!

[HERn]

Quote from Trapped.

“ The co-workers can't feign ignorance to God or man. God knows the hearts.....and now He can show them a printout of their own website too!”

Good one!!

[Nell]

Originally Posted by HERn

Quote from Trapped.

“ The co-workers can't feign ignorance to God or man. God knows the hearts.....and now He can show them a printout of their own website too!”

Good one!!

We should download all their .pdf’s before this website is “disappeared.”

Nell