Indwelling Christ in our Human Spirit - who emphasizes this now besides LC?

[Sons to Glory!]

We did so well with the "Eating & Drinking Jesus Daily - who emphasizes this besides the LC?" thread, I thought to start this topic.

It seems like such an evident (aka no-brainer) and key aspect of the New Covenant, that now Christ lives in us, and the Anointing is dwelling in us to write His laws on our hearts and minds. And it seems most apparent in scripture that man has a spirit and by the new birth our spirit is regenerated with His life. And that we are one Spirit with Him. (1 Cor 6:17)

I learned about having a spirit and that Christ was in me from the LC (circa 1974). Now days I seldom hear anyone in other Christian groups talk much about the importance of "Christ is you, the hope of glory." (Col 1:27) But if this not the New Covenant, then what is? And, of course, many might acknowledge that Christ is in the believer, but then approach the whole New Covenant in a largely outward, Old Covenant way of buckle-down performance, which is simply legalism.

So here's the main question: Are there Christian groups or speakers out there who emphasize the indwelling of Christ in our spirit - and that the Christian life is impossible to live apart from Him living in and through us?

(and of course I know the ramifications of how LSM took things to an extreme and abused the truth of this, and how the resultant legalism has suppressed the Holy Spirit there, etc., etc.)

[Truthseeker]

This indwelling Spirit comes from Inner life movement not directly from Nee or Lee's ministry. We can find it richly in T.A Sparks sermon.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

This indwelling Spirit comes from Inner life movement not directly from Nee or Lee's ministry. We can find it richly in T.A Sparks sermon.

Absolutely! Sparks is one of my routine favs. (the LC would have done much better to more closely follow his speaking on various matters I think)

So do you hear anyone speaking about this now much - and even more, practicing it?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

We did so well with the "Eating & Drinking Jesus Daily - who emphasizes this besides the LC?" thread, I thought to start this topic.

It seems like such an evident (aka no-brainer) and key aspect of the New Covenant, that now Christ lives in us, and the Anointing is dwelling in us to write His laws on our hearts and minds. And it seems most apparent in scripture that man has a spirit and by the new birth our spirit is regenerated with His life. And that we are one Spirit with Him. (1 Cor 6:17)

I learned about having a spirit and that Christ was in me from the LC (circa 1974). Now days I seldom hear anyone in other Christian groups talk much about the importance of "Christ is you, the hope of glory." (Col 1:27) But if this not the New Covenant, then what is? And, of course, many might acknowledge that Christ is in the believer, but then approach the whole New Covenant in a largely outward, Old Covenant way of buckle-down performance, which is simply legalism.

So here's the main question: Are there Christian groups or speakers out there who emphasize the indwelling of Christ in our spirit - and that the Christian life is impossible to live apart from Him living in and through us?

(and of course I know the ramifications of how LSM took things to an extreme and abused the truth of this, and how the resultant legalism has suppressed the Holy Spirit there, etc., etc.)

Mary E McDonough penned a treatise that Is so similar to Lee’s teachings on this topic that it appears he based a lot of his teachings on it: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Plan-Red.../dp/0736307184

Major Ian Thomas also used the three circle tripartite man illustration, but his ministry was quite different than Lee’s. Here is a Sermon index http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/m...cat.php?cid=17
He came to my community church in 2005, and I asked him if he knew of Lee. He did and said “he was a sheep stealer” as a congregation he was ministering to in Colorado had been attracted away to follow him.

But, while I hear much about Christ in me or you in community church circles, there is not much on The Spirit in our spirit as Lee so over-emphasized.

I’ll be interested if contemporary teachers not influenced my Nee or Lee teach on this topic.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by JJ

Mary E McDonough penned a treatise that Is so similar to Lee’s teachings on this topic that it appears he based a lot of his teachings on it: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Plan-Red.../dp/0736307184

Major Ian Thomas also used the three circle tripartite man illustration, but his ministry was quite different than Lee’s. Here is a Sermon index http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/m...cat.php?cid=17
He came to my community church in 2005, and I asked him if he knew of Lee. He did and said “he was a sheep stealer” as a congregation he was ministering to in Colorado had been attracted away to follow him.

But, while I hear much about Christ in me or you in community church circles, there is not much on The Spirit in our spirit as Lee so over-emphasized.

I’ll be interested if contemporary teachers not influenced my Nee or Lee teach on this topic.

Ian Thomas preached for seven days at our Baptist Church in the 70s. "Oil in the lamp, gas in the car, and God in the man!"

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by JJ

Mary E McDonough penned a treatise that Is so similar to Lee’s teachings on this topic that it appears he based a lot of his teachings on it: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Plan-Red.../dp/0736307184

Major Ian Thomas also used the three circle tripartite man illustration, but his ministry was quite different than Lee’s. Here is a Sermon index http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/m...cat.php?cid=17
He came to my community church in 2005, and I asked him if he knew of Lee. He did and said “he was a sheep stealer” as a congregation he was ministering to in Colorado had been attracted away to follow him.

But, while I hear much about Christ in me or you in community church circles, there is not much on The Spirit in our spirit as Lee so over-emphasized.

I’ll be interested if contemporary teachers not influenced my Nee or Lee teach on this topic.

I heard a radio message yesterday by Charles Stanley that hit on a lot of indwelling points. His main thrust was the Comforter was given to us, and at a couple points he said the HS resided in us. Then he mentioned that Christ was in us. It was one of the better things I'd heard on media for some time!

I've also read some good things about the indwelling in Piper books. (also Murray, Tozer, Hannah W. Smith, Sparks, et. al., but these are not alive)

So there is mention of the indwelling out there by some current mainstream ones, and not just obscure teachers. I mean this is a main tenet of the New Covenant, is it not?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I heard a radio message yesterday by Charles Stanley that hit on a lot of indwelling points. His main thrust was the Comforter was given to us, and at a couple points he said the HS resided in us. Then he mentioned that Christ was in us. It was one of the better things I'd heard on media for some time!

I've also read some good things about the indwelling in Piper books. (also Murray, Tozer, Hannah W. Smith, Sparks, et. al., but these are not alive)

So there is mention of the indwelling out there by some current mainstream ones, and not just obscure teachers. I mean this is a main tenet of the New Covenant, is it not?

The notion of the indwelling of the HS has been posited, debated, and questioned, going back to at least the apostolic fathers ... and also condemned.

An early proponent of it, Montanus (2nd century CE), was condemned as a heretic because he and his two two female colleagues, Priscilla and Maximilla, who claimed the Paraclete to be indwelling and working thru them more than thru Montanus, in what was considered back then to be The New Prophecy.

The moral of my little screed here, I guess is, Montanus claimed the Paraclete spoke through him. But it looked to the orthodoxy as something tantamount to witchcraft, or demon possession, so I guess we can get carried away with the HS, to the point of being unpredictable ; a wild card to the orthodoxy, perhaps a loose cannon, or canon ... haha ... at any rate, the HS made troublesome to the order of that that had developed during the proto-orthodox, the precursor to the church in Rome becoming the state religion.

But then again, according the gospel we call John, Jesus said the HS is like the wind. We can hear it, but can't tell from where it comes, and to where it goes ... so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So Montanus might have been right, but it would have removed the authority of what became institutional Christianity.

The Mother Church was against it. The charismatic movement within her these days is a hard pill for them to swallow.

Same for the local church. Lee killed the movement of the holy Spirit many times. Just try and follow the Holy Spirit in the local church, and see where that gets you.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Same for the local church. Lee killed the movement of the holy Spirit many times. Just try and follow the Holy Spirit in the local church, and see where that gets you.

You mean I couldn't just stand up and testify of a fresh experience of the Lord!? Yeah, yer probably right!

I do distinctly remember WL, as we were going through the Romans training and chapter eight thereof, asking Who of the Triune God was in us. Not easy to figure out from the following . . .

Romans 8: 9-11: "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."

[Raptor]

Here Billy Graham hammers the point that the Holy Spirit is in us and that the christian life is about Him living through us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03T2uLXio28

In this message he speaks about three things: 1) without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness, 2) without faith I cannot please Him, 3) without "Me" you can do nothing. On this 3rd segment, starting at minute 25, he talks about abiding in Christ, here are some excerpts:

"After you come to Jesus Christ as your Savior, you know what happens, the Holy Spirit comes to live in your heart. The moment you receive Christ, the moment you put your whole weight on Christ, the Spirit of God comes to live within you and He lives through you and in you and He lives the christian life through you.

There are many of you here tonight, you look like a christian, you act like a christian in many ways, but deep inside there is no abiding in Christ. There is no life, there is no sap, the fruit isn't there. ...Are you abiding in Christ? Jesus withdrew Himself into solitary places to meet God, and we must do the same thing. We must keep contact with Him everyday, it must be constant and deliberate, never a day when we do not sense His presence. And without this abiding you cannot do anything that will be spiritually pleasing to God.

Without "Me" you can´t bear supernatural fruit but with Him I can love that fellow over there that normally I wouldn't love. With Him, I can be gentle when normally I might want to hit him in the face. With Him in my life, living through me, I can forgive the wrongs that have been done and the things that were said. With Him the life can be lived, because you see, nowhere in the New Testament does it tell me, Billy Graham, to live a christian life. It tells me that the old Bill must die and Christ must live through me and in me. He does the living through me if I´m daily moment-by-moment abiding in Him. It's His sap that gives me the strength and the life, the spiritual life that I must have. By their fruits you shall know them. "