Book by Former LC Elder Herman Massey

[Cal]

I knew Herman from our days in Austin, Texas together. He was an elder. He wife is Kathleen. He wrote book a few years ago. I just stumbled onto it on Amazon.com. I know it is him because in the Acknowledgements he mentions Kathleen and his (twin) brother Thurman.

Grace is for You--Flowing Like a River

I downloaded the sample on my Kindle and will buy the whole book. It looks pretty good. Glad to see Herman is still following the Lord with such singleness, and that he and Kathleen are doing well. You can still see the LC influence in his words, but they have a fresher and different feel as well.

"Grace is about getting access to the Father to share the bounty of his resources! Jesus is the way to the availability of this grace."

[Evangelical]

Sounds like the "sugar daddy" version of grace.

[DistantStar]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Sounds like the "sugar daddy" version of grace.

Why the bitterness?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by DistantStar

Why the bitterness?

I'm not bitter, just this seems to be the definition of grace that is about God's provision. There are a few definitions of what grace is. The Bible does not define grace in such a way. The definition of grace I agree with the most is that grace is the opposite of karma. Grace is not about getting access to anything. It is about experiencing something we don't deserve. Karma is the opposite - experiencing something we deserve.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not bitter, just this seems to be the definition of grace that is about God's provision. There are a few definitions of what grace is. The Bible does not define grace in such a way. The definition of grace I agree with the most is that grace is the opposite of karma. Grace is not about getting access to anything. It is about experiencing something we don't deserve. Karma is the opposite - experiencing something we deserve.

If your Witness Lee had given us that definition, then you would be defending how marvelous it is, and how it exactly corresponds with God's Economy.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not bitter, just this seems to be the definition of grace that is about God's provision. There are a few definitions of what grace is. The Bible does not define grace in such a way. The definition of grace I agree with the most is that grace is the opposite of karma. Grace is not about getting access to anything. It is about experiencing something we don't deserve. Karma is the opposite - experiencing something we deserve.

This explains why you are such an ungracious person. You have no clue what grace is, nor how desperately you need it.

It's stunning. You are a walking, talking billboard for NOT joining the LCM. I'm actually surprised that other LCMers are not rebuking you in public for the nonsense you spread in their name.

I started this thread. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep at least this one clear of your sick hatefulness. Thank you.

[Koinonia]

Thank you for sharing this, Igzy.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Igzy

This explains why you are such an ungracious person. You have no clue what grace is, nor how desperately you need it.

It's stunning. You are a walking, talking billboard for NOT joining the LCM. I'm actually surprised that other LCMers are not rebuking you in public for the nonsense you spread in their name.

I started this thread. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep at least this one clear of your sick hatefulness. Thank you.

I think your post is reason enough for LCM members not to join. No not really, I don't think people are or are not joining on the basis of one person's opinion. You are basically using God's grace to hammer people with it. You failed grace 101 which is treating others better than they deserve. You have not treated me better than I deserve, so you need more grace. I think you all need to read this book.

[Unsure]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not bitter.

Well, when you make your initial statement with such a belligerent statement (granted, it probably wasn't all that belligerent, but I read it in my head as such at first glance) and offer no further justification or exposition, people will think you are. It would have been better if your second post was part of your first post.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Unsure

Well, when you make your initial statement with such a belligerent statement (granted, it probably wasn't all that belligerent, but I read it in my head as such at first glance) and offer no further justification or exposition, people will think you are. It would have been better if your second post was part of your first post.

The definition of grace is clearly not the right one - which is God's unmerited favor. Ask any evangelical.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Unsure

Well, when you make your initial statement with such a belligerent statement (granted, it probably wasn't all that belligerent, but I read it in my head as such at first glance) and offer no further justification or exposition, people will think you are. It would have been better if your second post was part of your first post.

I looked back at the first post I don't see belligerence anywhere. It really must be a perspective thing.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I'm not bitter, just this seems to be the definition of grace that is about God's provision. There are a few definitions of what grace is. The Bible does not define grace in such a way. The definition of grace I agree with the most is that grace is the opposite of karma. Grace is not about getting access to anything. It is about experiencing something we don't deserve. Karma is the opposite - experiencing something we deserve.

Almost seems as if your definition is like that of most Christians. While overly simplistic, "unmerited favor" is exactly what you just described.

As a humorous aside, the simplistic definitions of grace and mercy are often stated as:

Grace . . . getting what you don't deserve.

Mercy . . . not getting what you do deserve.

So when people pray for "travel mercies," are they suggesting that they deserve to get into problems on the road? Have a wreck? Lose a radiator hose in the Mojave?

[Barnabas]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Sounds like the "sugar daddy" version of grace.

I just ordered the book. I need all the grace God gives to me (Romans 5:17)