LC Gibberish

[Koinonia]

"Further Talks on the Urgent Need of the Central Lane of the Central Line of the Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Basic Elements of the Constitution and Building Up of the Exercise and Practice of the Essence of the Focus of the Kernel of the Lord's Recovery"

Anyone miss this kind of thing?

[Freedom]

I think this one is from a recent training or something. I've seen it floating around on the internet:
Becoming divine and mystical persons living in the divine and mystical realm for the building of the divine and mystical temple of God.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

"Further Talks on the Urgent Need of the Central Lane of the Central Line of the Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Basic Elements of the Constitution and Building Up of the Exercise and Practice of the Essence of the Focus of the Kernel of the Lord's Recovery"

Anyone miss this kind of thing?

Or... The Kernel of the Essential, Intrinsic, Consummate Consummation of the Consummate, Intrinsic, Essential Kernel.

[UntoHim]

Or...

The K of the E, I, C, C of the C, I, E, K.

Everybody now....supercalifragilisticexpialidocious....

You can't make this stuff up folks.

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[Cal]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Or...

The K of the E, I, C, C of the C, I, E, K.

Everybody now....supercalifragilisticexpialidocious....

You can't make this stuff up folks.

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I can hear Lee now...

"There is the consummation. But then... FURTHER!... There is... the CONSUMMATE consummation!!... This is deeper and higher, and way over here, and way over there, too.... Only we... in the Lord's Recovery... have seen this."

And everyone screams, "AMEN!!!"

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Only we... in the Lord's Recovery... have seen this."

This is the primary sickness of the LC. The idea that having more and better knowledge makes for a better Christian experience and position in God's kingdom.

Not saying that there isn't some of the same tendencies in Christianity. But nothing like in the LC.

I had one LCer (a nephew of mine) declare that having a better vocabulary (Lexicon) made the experience of Christ better. He sort of challenged me to a private debate on the subject, but never responded when I set up a private place for it to happen.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

I had one LCer (a nephew of mine) declare that having a better vocabulary (Lexicon) made the experience of Christ better. He sort of challenged me to a private debate on the subject, but never responded when I set up a private place for it to happen.

This is 100% Lee during the High Peak era of the early 90's. It did nothing but puff us up. Pure nonsense.

What delivered me from this error was the inability to communicate with others using "a better vocabulary" of high peak terminology. I was supposed to believe that hours of study throughout the week in order to speak this stuff for 2-5 minutes on Sunday was wise.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Or... The Kernel of the Essential, Intrinsic, Consummate Consummation of the Consummate, Intrinsic, Essential Kernel.

"Now let's have all the churches from Texas stand and recite Banner #1 with a strong, buoyant, joyful, exercised and released spirit to nourish all the brothers and sisters!"

"The Kernal of ..."

[Freedom]

I think that much of the purpose behind the LC lingo it that it's a convenient tactic that is intended to purposely confuse people. What better way for Lee to insulate his position than by developing a talk that only he himself could come up with. Some of this nonsense is downright stupid and illogical, and there is no way decipher it besides calling it what it really is. Since LCers can't call BS, they simply arrive at the premature conclusion that they themselves are the problem that they are limited in what they understand. Thus ensures that the authority structure maintains intact.

On the other hand, a lot of the lingo does have subtle implications. Just consider normal things found in the Bible like the temple, the altar, the golden lampstand. Everyone knows what these are, but what does the LC do? They predicate everything with phrases like "the intrinsic significance". What they're really saying is that everything they attach these labels to has some kind of esoteric meaning that only they see. This is why I find this kind of talk to be disconcerting. It's subtle, it's elusive, and if you try to address it, they play word games with you. Christians should be on the lookout for people using peculiar language and terminology. It almost certainly indicates that there's something else going on.

[Cal]

The LC's turgid slogans were bombast designed to create a wow factor. They worked... 40 years ago. The sizzle is long off the steak, however. Yet they continue. They can't do anything different because that's the way Lee did it, and Lee can't be wrong or improved upon. So order up more white banners and red nouns and verbs, and lots of red adverbs and adjectives. Heap those up. Maybe more will help. Repeat because we know nothing else, to the point of being pathetic.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Freedom

I think that much of the purpose behind the LC lingo it that it's a convenient tactic that is intended to purposely confuse people. What better way for Lee to insulate his position than by developing a talk that only he himself could come up with. Some of this nonsense is downright stupid and illogical, and there is no way decipher it besides calling it what it really is. Since LCers can't call BS, they simply arrive at the premature conclusion that they themselves are the problem that they are limited in what they understand. Thus ensures that the authority structure maintains intact.

On the other hand, a lot of the lingo does have subtle implications. Just consider normal things found in the Bible like the temple, the altar, the golden lampstand. Everyone knows what these are, but what does the LC do? They predicate everything with phrases like "the intrinsic significance". What they're really saying is that everything they attach these labels to has some kind of esoteric meaning that only they see. This is why I find this kind of talk to be disconcerting. It's subtle, it's elusive, and if you try to address it, they play word games with you. Christians should be on the lookout for people using peculiar language and terminology. It almost certainly indicates that there's something else going on.

Freedom, it is confusing. It purposely traps people in their mind trying to comprehend what exactly is the message we're reading? It's a vehicle for those who do comprehend to boast about the knowledge they glean from the ministry and how non-LSM Christianity has nothing to offer.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Or... The Kernel of the Essential, Intrinsic, Consummate Consummation of the Consummate, Intrinsic, Essential Kernel.

Igzy, this seriously made me laugh.....thanks.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

The Kernel of the Essential, Intrinsic, Consummate Consummation of the Consummate, Intrinsic, Essential Kernel.

Have they written a song to this yet? I could never remember such a convoluted set of words without a tune to sing it to.

Also, I like the fact that it is a palindrome of ridiculous words, thereby making it doubly ridiculous.

And the ridiculous palindrome is now remembered more than any actual meaningful thought that may have been in the message (if any).

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

Have they written a song to this yet? I could never remember such a convoluted set of words without a tune to sing it to.

Also, I like the fact that it is a palindrome of ridiculous words, thereby making it doubly ridiculous.

And the ridiculous palindrome is now remembered more than any actual meaningful thought that may have been in the message (if any).

Back in the '80's I stayed at the Irving Hall for a training. They announced the plan to purchase some property in Taiwan called "Lin-Ko." In the afternoon break time, the Texas young people leaders were writing new Lin-Ko songs and practicing to sing them. I thought that was absolutely crazy.

The whole plan fell thru when agents for Lee forgot to check zoning laws.

"No problem. We'll just keep your money for the next boondoggle."

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

"Further Talks on the Urgent Need of the Central Lane of the Central Line of the Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Basic Elements of the Constitution and Building Up of the Exercise and Practice of the Essence of the Focus of the Kernel of the Lord's Recovery"

Anyone miss this kind of thing?

Wow!

I frequently praise God that I'm free of Lee!

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

"Further Talks on the Urgent Need of the Central Lane of the Central Line of the Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Basic Elements of the Constitution and Building Up of the Exercise and Practice of the Essence of the Focus of the Kernel of the Lord's Recovery"

Anyone miss this kind of thing?

Was this a real banner or did someone make it up?

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by HERn

Was this a real banner or did someone make it up?

It's fake.

But then again it's all fake. WL made it all up as he saw fit. It has no real meaning, and anyone attempting to decipher that kind of nonsense will drive themselves crazy.

Someone could probably write a computer program the could generate LSM outlines. Just insert words like intrinsic, economy, kernel or consummation every so often and you've got yourself an LSM outline. Oh and don't forget the random scripture references that nothing to do with the outline points.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Freedom

It's fake.

But then again it's all fake. WL made it all up as he saw fit. It has no real meaning, and anyone attempting to decipher that kind of nonsense will drive themselves crazy.

Someone could probably write a computer program the could generate LSM outlines. Just insert words like intrinsic, economy, kernel or consummation every so often and you've got yourself an LSM outline. Oh and don't forget the random scripture references that nothing to do with the outline points.

Thanks Freedom. Last year or so I looked at a recent LSM outline and compared what was written to the cited bible verses and was amazed at the incongruity. I remember as an LC member paying more attention to the outline than to the content of the bible verses.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by HERn

Thanks Freedom. Last year or so I looked at a recent LSM outline and compared what was written to the cited bible verses and was amazed at the incongruity. I remember as an LC member paying more attention to the outline than to the content of the bible verses.

Of course. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the outline that was prayread instead of the bible verses.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Freedom

It's fake.

But then again it's all fake. WL made it all up as he saw fit. It has no real meaning, and anyone attempting to decipher that kind of nonsense will drive themselves crazy.

Someone could probably write a computer program the could generate LSM outlines. Just insert words like intrinsic, economy, kernel or consummation every so often and you've got yourself an LSM outline. Oh and don't forget the random scripture references that nothing to do with the outline points.

Silly me. I was one of those who thought the lingo was real, and that it was WL's attempt to describe what is in the Bible to us. Initially I got into the quoted verses and thought I saw what WL was talking about. But, after years and years of getting into the Bible book we were "life studying" or "Chrystalization studying", reading the LSM Outline's cited verses, and separately actually reading the Bible daily and praying (which they harp on), I found the verses didn't always corroborate what was in the outline. In fact they often pointed out truth not talked about or even contradict a point occasionally. When I said so, the saints and elders would fall silent, then go back to verbatim reciting of "the points".

Very sad.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by JJ

. . . that it was WL's attempt to describe what is in the Bible to us. . . .

Actually, the Bible says it pretty well. If there is any problem with understanding he Bible, it is that on occasion there are places where having it said more clearly, not more cryptically, would be helpful.

And most of those banner-like, long phrases do not provide clarity. Instead they redefine and obfuscate.

All scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching. All Leeisms are Lee-breathed and profitable for Lee through the LSM.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by OBW

Actually, the Bible says it pretty well. If there is any problem with understanding he Bible, it is that on occasion there are places where having it said more clearly, not more cryptically, would be helpful.

And most of those banner-like, long phrases do not provide clarity. Instead they redefine and obfuscate.

All scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching. All Leeisms are Lee-breathed and profitable for Lee through the LSM.

Agreed. "Dispensing" is a good example (talk about an over-used WLism!). Why not use "fill" like the Bible does? Be filled in spirit, or be filled with the Spirit... straight forward. Exercise the spirit? Doesn't say that in my Bible, exercise thyself unto godliness is what it says. So, we end up with a whole new religion with part truth, part fantasy, part way of the nations (fallen human king dominating others while they exalt him and war with others).

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Freedom

It's fake.

But then again it's all fake. WL made it all up as he saw fit. It has no real meaning, and anyone attempting to decipher that kind of nonsense will drive themselves crazy.

Someone could probably write a computer program the could generate LSM outlines. Just insert words like intrinsic, economy, kernel or consummation every so often and you've got yourself an LSM outline. Oh and don't forget the random scripture references that nothing to do with the outline points.

During the heyday of the new way, with our first door-knocking instruction to "turn left" to the next house, and preprogrammed introductions and responses, Titus Chu commented that LSM could have much better success by just hiring unsaved sales people to recruit door-to-door.

I think his words got back to headquarters.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

"Further Talks on the Urgent Need of the Central Lane of the Central Line of the Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Basic Elements of the Constitution and Building Up of the Exercise and Practice of the Essence of the Focus of the Kernel of the Lord's Recovery"

Anyone miss this kind of thing?

Not at all. I often tell a brother "it's a lot of words to say very little". Who knows, maybe whoever comes up with these phrases is puffed up with pride. Whenever the next outline comes up, he takes it as a challenge if he can out do himself.

[NewManLiving]

If that is an actual quote then the LSM has gone from the rediculous to the absurd.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by NewManLiving

If that is an actual quote then the LSM has gone from the rediculous to the absurd.

This is not an actual quote, but all of these are phrases used by Witness Lee and rehashed and rehashed every year by the blended brothers.

For example, "Crucial Points of the Major Items of the Lord's Recovery"--a Witness Lee book title, and also the title of a recent major LSM conference.

"Crucial Points of the Major Items"...?

[Freedom]

I have always felt that the LC lingo is one of the most noticeable oddities within the LC. I was always embarrassed by it, because frankly, I had no idea how to explain or rationalize it to anyone outside the LC. Despite my gut feelings about it, I did take it as some sort of 'evidence' that we were special. To that extent, I agree that WL did want to impress people with the terminology. After all, he eventually went so far as to say that his so-called high peak truths needed a "new language".

Despite the existence of a 'wow' factor, I think that really only goes so far. I never felt that as time passed that I gained any better grasp on the terminology/lingo. What I found is that I eventually became indifferent towards the more bizarre aspects of the LC and tried to focus on the things that seemed positive. I think that many members tend to do the same thing.

If members aren't necessarily being continually 'wowed' by the lingo, it makes sense then to ask the question as to just why members tolerate the gibberish. I heard members complain a few times about not understanding things being spoken. Leaders didn't really seem to take this offensively, they just would use it as an opportunity to tell the person that they should attend a PSRP meeting if they wanted to fully understand it. In other words, it seemed that the underlying implication was that Lee's words needed more than just reading. They also needed memorizing, pray-reading, and reciting. I actually attended meetings where we pray-read an outline or even a ministry excerpt. In retrospect, it was nauseating.

In essence, it's all a trap. Members are held with a bone in front of them that always remains just out of reach. They think that if they just attend the FTTA for 2 years then all the pieces will come into place. If they just wait a few years, they will be able to understand what Lee was speaking about. Furthermore, I think that like I have mentioned before, the disconnect from what is being taught, is something that helps reinforce the LC hierarchy. It keeps members in their place and the blendeds in their place. Unless someone can't recite or decipher Lee's lingo, there technically is really no place for that person in the LC. But that's okay to leaders, because as long as such members believe that the bone is just within reach, they will likely stick around for awhile and fill the otherwise empty seats.

[TLFisher]

Instead of the wow factor, I get the "whatever" factor. Whatever makes you (LSM) feel better about yourselves. Really, I see it as another facet of spiritual bullying. There's a systemic pride the brothers cannot be content with the local churches being just another Christian church. There must be a way to create separation and make distinctions in order to say "hey look at us! We have a heavenly language that makes us distinctly superior to any other Christian fellowship."

Those that see through the façade see it really as grown men playing in a sandbox. That's what all the wordsmithing amounts to.