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11-05-2014, 04:40 PM | #1 |
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Local Church Speak - Merged with The Lexicon
I'm sure that there is a legitimate way to understand this phrase. But does it actually have a real meaning, or is it LC-spiritualeze for "something I've been thinking about" or praying about, or concerned about.
Or what? Is it like "cool"? Cool can mean "groovy," "great," all the way down to "I guess I can live with that." So if you say "cool," what did you say? And if two people say "cool," did they say the same thing? So what is "exercised in your spirit"? Does it have a somewhat singular meaing? Is the meaning variable based on the context? Is "my spirit" necessarily involved just because I use the term? Is it just a LRC cliche? Opinions? Does Lee or someone else ever give this term a somewhat difinitive meaning? Or is it just jargon?
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Agreed. I never really got what the meaning of that statement other than the "implied" meaning. I know that they pull out this verse a lot when some asks what exercising the spirit is: Tim 4:6 "But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness."
I know that the screaming at the top of the lungs and fist pumping is considered being "exercised in spirit". I think that maybe Lee left the meaning somewhat vague on purpose. In many cases I've seen the idea of being "exercised in spirit" as a way to correct people: so and so is argumentative, so they are not "in their spirit". A brother is too quiet when he's sharing, so he's not "exercised" enough. It is kind of a catch-all tool that the leading brothers can use to direct everyone. Because the meaning is unclear, no one questions it, they just assume they messed up somehow. I know that because it's been used like that to "correct" me many times. |
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A line in a hymn said, "Get out of your mind, get your spirit in gear!" As a kid, I heard a lot that I should "get out of my mind." Is there something in the Bible that indicates we should "get out of our mind"? A rapper named Lil John has a track called "Get Outta Your Mind." It's a little unpleasant (Lil John is famous for screaming a lot), and I'm pretty sure he's talking about getting wasted. This reminds me that someone mentioned awhile back that Philip Lee was known to have shared marijuana, on occasion, w/some church young people. Considering Recovery culture, I have to say that pot use does not strike me as all that out-of-sync w/being a member of the Lord's Recovery. While it may not be particularly helpful for fist-pumping spirit-exercising in the meetings, it really doesn't hurt when you're in that mellow, not-asking-too-many-questions, post-meeting mode.
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Thanks for the response Mephibosheth. The idea that the spirit is an organ is, I believe, wrong. That idea makes the spirit an object. As such it is peripheral to you as the experiencing subject. That is a mistaken notion of spiritually deadly consequences as I can testify because of my experience in Witness Lee's cult. Remember the diagram of the three circles? That symbol got it right because it shows spirit in the center. The spirit is the true you. Accept no substitute.
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That is just a list of definitions. And while the things that scripture defines is important, I'm not sure that it is definitions that separate soul and spirit. The spirit knows. But so does the mind. And so on. Given that kind of differentiation, they begin to look more like slightly different aspects of one thing than completely different things that can be defined into separation.
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My experience in the LC was that "exercise your spirit" was a euphemism, for "get with the program."
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I think people admire him and respect his sharing because he is seen as someone who has gone through this "breaking process". I know that's how I heard him when I was there.
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It is sold to the prospective new ones, the so-called contacts, couched in Bible-ese. "Cry out and shout, o thou inhabitant of Zion"; you are told to "call on the Lord" and so forth. You are encouraged to "Draw from the wells of salvation", and "Eating Jesus is the way". I noticed immediately that this was one of the loudest meetings I'd ever been to. I mean, no amplification, just everybody in a circle in someone's living room, and it felt like the walls were shaking. So I got in, and "when in Rome", I began to make a lot of noise as well. "O Lord Jesus" and "amen" and "praise the Lord" and "hallelujah" over and over again. So it was an overwhelming sensory experience. And I was weakened thereby, and surrendered control. Subjectivity reigned. I "felt the spirit/Spirit". So it was actually a charismatic dodge, looking back. I have had many charismatic experiences since leaving the LC and I have learned to trust none of them. The only charismatic experience you should trust is when/if you get to the Bema and you hear the voice, "Well done, good and faithful servant. Enter now into the joy of your Master." Until then, trust no one and nothing. Especially your self! Especially your senses! We were arguably caught by the "sensual" nature of the ministry. Shouting in ecstasy, we thought we were "home in the church". And when the long knives came out, and we heard whispers of "rebellion", or vague references in the podium about being "negative", we trusted that sensual experience. When our conscience protested, we trusted that sensual experience. When the Bible was ignored or overturned, we trusted that original charismatic feeling. So we continued to "exercise our mingled Spirit". Don't worry, have another sip of Kool-Aid. Everything is fine.
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Can't you be "excercised in spirit" through silence? Instead of the generic "look at me I can be loud" exercise of vocal chords whether or not it produces being "exercised in spirit". At the minimum, it draws attention to yourself.
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*Yes***"Exercise your spirit"****when I was there meant, "don't use your mind to think" don't carry on a normal conversation , don't question ,rather get with the program , be spiritually upbeat, ie. chant or shout amen lord Jeeesus! Use your a strong emotional tone and emphasize hand gestures to go along with it , like a small fisted up -swinging motion , while quoting a piece of witness Lee's message or slogans and then say amen Jeeesus again! |
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The Lexicon — "Exercised in Your Spirit" a/k/a LC-Speak
So the OP in this thread from 11/2014 begins with "Exercise your spirit".
Exercise your spirit is not a verse. It's not Scripture. It's LC-speak. I think calling LC-speak "The Lexicon" is generous, but here you are. Nell |
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I remember at the beginning when we first touched the church life that I asked the leading elder if there was a glossary of recovery terms to help me understand their teaching. He smiled and said he did not know of one. I was serious. I don't know why I didn't see that as a red flag.
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This should get us started on an updated glossary...is this helping, StG? Nell Last edited by Nell; 12-02-2020 at 09:11 AM. |
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18. Any kind of talk that sounds like they are diminishing another’s own ability to think/choose for them self and talking over them as if they know what is better.
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Somehow WL had these abilities - not only to know what most other Christians thought (even though he hadn't been to their meetings for years) and to know what was superior to that thinking. And these godlike abilities would be transferred to us if we just sat in the proper chairs, in the proper meeting on the proper ground, listening to the oracle of God for these present times. Then we'd likewise know what was best for everyone else. 19. "Drunken Noah" - Witness Lee's sons got caught molesting the church secretaries, and making off with the church funds. 20. "Rebellion" - Anyone who mentions Witness Lee's sons. See also, "Storms" and "Turmoils" 21. "Proper" - Anything being promoted by LSM/Anaheim. 22. "Attack" - Anything said to critique LSM/Anaheim, or that wasn't slavishly subservient. 23 "Critique" - When LSM/Anaheim said something to correct others, such as their broadsides "Affirmation and Critique" 24. "Deputy God" - The Alpha Male in Anaheim, aka "God's oracle", "today's Moses", or "Today's Paul". 25. "Saints" - Anyone on the "proper" ground. Once , in conversation, I said I was from a city with no LR church group. The listener frowned, puzzled. "Are there any saints there?" He asked me. "Yes, thousands of them" I replied. "You know what I mean", he said, nonplussed.
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Some of the ones on this list are scriptural - like using the word "saints" for Christians. Of course, using the word in an elitist way is the error (as Aron points in in #25). But other things like "turn to your spirit" are not scriptural, at least as far as I can tell. Turn to the Lord is what is scriptural. The Lord is joined to our spirit, but saying "turn to your spirit" I think excludes something important - The Lord Spirit!
And I think we need to show grace to those who still use some of these words too. For instance, a brother and I here noticed that some speak sometimes of "turning to your spirit." We know it's off, but would hopefully not go to them to try and correct them. That would just be legalism.
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If you want to communicate with other people, Christians, Christians who are wounded, LCKids who are wounded, unbelievers, don't use expressions that are cringeworthy to your audience. Why would you do that? You've asked for clarification...you've been told...over and over again. When someone writes or speaks, they write or speak for the sake of the audience. Don't make it about you! LC-speak doesn't care about people...it's all about Witness Lee, LSM, Local Church. It's all about the "heavenly language" of the high-minded speaker condescending to the ignorant, moo-cow listener. On the contrary, we are charged to be "all things to all people". 1 Cor. 9:22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. Nell ****************** 3. Remember It's About The Audience Most talented speakers are great at storytelling. However, when telling your story, never forget that you are doing it for the sake of the audience. It shouldn't be about you, so make it crystal clear why, and how, your story can help the audience. That way your message will be more than entertaining, it will also be empowering and inspirational! - Donald Hatter, Donald Hatter Inc. |
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I just don't have the grace for that.
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Not sure what "that" is. Last post? Opening post?
It helps to quote what you are commenting on.
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Right. As in, "We don't care for that"... and, notice it's the "royal we". It's all manipulation and mindless conformity, with a thin veneer of spirituality on top.
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I noticed that this comment followed StG's post:
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In LC context, "turn to your spirit" is to engage in repetitive activity meant to suppress critical thinking. "Get out of your mind, get your spirit in gear" was another phrase I remember. That's where Nell's "Ooooooooooooohh Loooooooooooord Jeeeeeeeeeeezussssssssss" comes in. It's mindless ritual.
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Have you ever had teenagers? Every new generation develops a new "group-speak" to identify who is "in" and who is "out." And, yes, I agree that some of the WL/LC-speak is juvenile.
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However, it's also helpful to keep in mind, it's not the lingo itself that's the problem. It's the motivation behind it. In this case it's all designed to guide the person along a prescribed track. Not all lingo is towards such a goal, as Ohio has pointed out. So by the same token, not all persons using any particular lingo have the same purpose in mind. For example, StG uses the LC lingo, yes, (has been using...) but he's not trying to control anyone, subvert anyone, bully or badger or brainwash. He has kept the habit and was not himself deeply harmed by the LC so doesn't have the same negative associations with the lingo. Then he's stayed in a breakaway group, so the lingo has remained but the toxicity that is associated with the LC itself didn't develop. That is how it looks to me, looking on. Tolerating some lingo from those who mean no harm, could be like taking a vaccination. The virus isn't active, it's dead, but choosing to mentally seperate the residual lingo in a 'safe' setting can help it to cease its triggering effect. In brief, It's the motivation behind the words that is the potential enemy. Not all use of the lingo is necessarily evil in itself. |
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"Exercise your spirit, brother!" is a push to shout and jump and wave. But where does this shouting and waving come from? The Bible says, "Exercise yourself to Godliness" but does that mean jump up and down and shout repetitively? I think such interpretation is error. Suppose I created a meme that said, "Don't think, just repeat this meme" - it might get some traction, unless someone said, "Why shouldn't I think? Who says, 'Don't think'?" So "exercise your spirit" was the "don't think" part of it, and then we disseminated the meme with group-think and group-speak. "Don't think - drink!" Remember that one? Unthinking, reflexive action was how the error got disseminated widely. "Exercise yourself unto Godliness" really means what James meant - Godliness (true religion) is to visit widows and orphans and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. God so loved us that he sent His only begotten Son to save us. This son was holy, as the Father is holy. The Son then said that we his disciples are to obey his commands, just as he obeyed the Father's commands. So we're likewise sent as emissaries to the unlovely, the unloved, the unlovable (in our eyes). That's what James meant by "visit widows and orphans". To love them, in this context, is to show some actual blessing. Healing, comfort, encouragement, food, clothes, shelter, something. Pay attention to them, listen to them. And the second part is to keep unspotted from the world, like Jesus did. That is "exercise yourself unto Godliness". Not jump up and down and shout. And notice where the jumping and shouting got us: 1) We were told to ignore obvious sin in church leadership; 2) We were told to despise the poor., the widows, the orphans. "Don't waste your time" was the word at FTTA. Get good building material instead.
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Sorry the numbers are changing. I'm using the[List] formatting tool. Nell Last edited by Nell; 12-02-2020 at 05:03 PM. |
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[37] Amen! (Uses as a greeting instead of saying hi or good morning.)
[38] O Lord, Amen, Hallelujah, Praise the Lord, Jesus, Triune God! (What are they blubbering?) [39] God-man attire (It's just a suit with a tie.)
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This list would not be complete without the term 'Seeker', to indicate a person associating with, but not joined to the LC. That code term alerts all in the room to what level of expression (pretense) is applicable in their presence. It also implies the person is not saved.
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For number 36. If you take care of the church then God will take care of your family. This seems like clear manipulation. Do they use this phrase to isolate every aspect of your life that can possibly take time away from the church such as family and or friends? Or is this a tactic for people to pool resources/money solely for the church? Idk that phrase really does feel devious in a certain manner. It seems to me that LC destroys families not takes care of them.
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42. Little grinders: Witness Lee term for children.
43. Little bankers: WL term for children with money. 44. Oneness: means "Do what you are told." 45. Fellowship: means "Don't do anything without permission."
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All--
I've added categories to the list. Does it help? Suggestions? I'm not sure some of the categories are descriptive. Help! Nell
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I’m not sure if this has been addressed already but “Young people”? I felt diminished whenever they used that term.
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Wowsie - that's quite the list! It's always interesting to me that every organization I've been part of has their own language. Some went so far as to include an organizational glossary and commonly used acronyms for orientation and/or in their handbook. Maybe you'll want to send this to the Blendeds to see if they might find it useful for the same purpose!
And I like that it is numbered too - that way we can just use the number of what we're talking about when we're communicating. For instance, "If you don't think I'm a #12, then you need to #9 & 65 so you will love me more and to also #73*!" This might really streamline communication (on here and the LC)! *I've got a really big one that was left out Quote:
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