The Split off Thread - The Thread with no Name

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's one thing to no longer trust contemporary leaders who have never earned that trust, but it's another thing to no longer trust those who have been proven over the span of 2,000 years.

Sounds like a Roman Catholic answer to me. Have you resorted back to your cradle religion?

[UntoHim]

Ok Harold, your trying my patients you little rascal. You're just about the only poster that makes me want to activate that stupid, petty "infraction" system that comes with the vBulletin software. If you weren't so darn cute I'd whip you with a wet noodle. In the meantime will you please stop trying to sidetrack and derail every thread with your baiting? Didn't mommy tell you that there is a time and place for everything?

Hey let's take a look at ZNP's last post. I think it's well worth some attention and consideration. I like how it's kind of getting down to brass tacks. It's where the rubber meets the road. What I call dealing with the "here and now" of the realities we face today. Maybe we can build off of this post and proceed from there. Or we can go back to my favorite theme of comparing and contrasting the teachings and practices of the original apostles with what could be put into practice today.

Let's get off the gospel of John kick. (Sorry zeek, that was a really good post - maybe we can spit off to another thread using you post and some of the others)

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Ok Harold, your trying my patients you little rascal. You're just about the only poster that makes me want to activate that stupid, petty "infraction" system that comes with the vBulletin software. If you weren't so darn cute I'd whip you with a wet noodle. In the meantime will you please stop trying to sidetrack and derail every thread with your baiting? Didn't mommy tell you that there is a time and place for everything?

You're the boss. So I'll say one more thing I've learned about Christianity, and then I'll shut up.

In my life time involved with Christians one thing I've learned that sticks out like a sore thumb :

Christianity is a religion of : SHUT UP.

Not only when you go to traditional church do they practice SHUT UP, but even in a Christian group like the local church, that allows speaking, if you say anything outside of the accepted speaking you'll be told to SHUT UP, or shouted down with "Oh Lord Jesus."

So I'll SHUT UP, and be a good Christian.

[zeek]

Mr. Awareness--Let Dr. Zeek help. My prescription for you is take two aspirin and watch the video linked below five times a day for the next 30 days. If you don't feel those old local church mind-numbing incantation, conformity and shame reflexes kicking in by then, call me. We will begin electroshock treatment immediately. Have a nice day.

http://youtu.be/XrNl6-j9x5w

[Cal]

Originally Posted by awareness

You're the boss. So I'll say one more thing I've learned about Christianity, and then I'll shut up.

In my life time involved with Christians one thing I've learned that sticks out like a sore thumb :

Christianity is a religion of : SHUT UP.

Not only when you go to traditional church do they practice SHUT UP, but even in a Christian group like the local church, that allows speaking, if you say anything outside of the accepted speaking you'll be told to SHUT UP, or shouted down with "Oh Lord Jesus."

So I'll SHUT UP, and be a good Christian.

Yes, please shut up. If there are some good things about "Christianity" and one of them is telling people to shut up who make stupid and rude comments like you just made to UntoHim, then that's fine by me.

Harold, your comment to UntoHim was chickensh*t. It was like something a snotty-nosed 8-year-old would say. How old are you anyway? Staying on topic is a rule. It has nothing to do with religion. Stop trying to twist everything that doesn't suit you into some kind of evil religious attack. It's self-righteousness and self-absorption to the nth degree.

Your every cutesy comment is not appreciated. Grow up and get used to it. In the meantime, shut up.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Yes, please shut up. If there are some good things about "Christianity" and one of them is telling people to shut up who make stupid and rude comments like you just made to UntoHim, then that's fine by me.

Harold, your comment to UntoHim was chickensh*t. It was like something a snotty-nosed 8-year-old would say. How old are you anyway? Staying on topic is a rule. It has nothing to do with religion. Stop trying to twist everything that doesn't suit you into some kind of evil religious attack. It's self-righteousness and self-absorption to the nth degree.

Your every cutesy comment is not appreciated. Grow up and get used to it. In the meantime, shut up.

Awareness was not saying shut up to UntoHim, but rather using the term to express what he percieved UntoHim to be directing him to do. It seems to me that what you are doing to awareness in the above post is exactly what you are accusing him of, i.e. telling him to shut up, and being rude. Please explain to me how that is OK.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by zeek

Awareness was not saying shut up to UntoHim, but rather using the term to express what he percieved UntoHim to be directing him to do. It seems to me that what you are doing to awareness in the above post is exactly what you are accusing him of, i.e. telling him to shut up, and being rude. Please explain to me how that is OK.

I know awareness wasn't telling UntoHim to shut up. Awareness is rarely that gutsy or direct. He'd rather deal in plausibly deniable innuendo. He'd rather make ****ty little remarks that imply that others are in sway of religion, but he, only he, is enlightened enough to see the truth. That's his one-note symphony.

Frankly, I'm sick of it. UntoHim deserves better than that kind of crap.

[zeek]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio
It's one thing to no longer trust contemporary leaders who have never earned that trust, but it's another thing to no longer trust those who have been proven over the span of 2,000 years.

Response by awareness:
Sounds like a Roman Catholic answer to me. Have you resorted back to your cradle religion?

There's interesting middle ground that could be explored between these two arguments. Should we accept everything that the historical church has put out over the past 2000 years? Should we reject Roman Catholicism carte blanche?

To me both positions are extreme. But I don't agree with shutting down the discussion without discussing the alternatives. Once we leave the local churches all roads are open. But which one[s] should we take? Discussing such matters might be germaine to the mission of this website. Yes?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio
It's one thing to no longer trust contemporary leaders who have never earned that trust, but it's another thing to no longer trust those who have been proven over the span of 2,000 years.

Response by awareness:
Sounds like a Roman Catholic answer to me. Have you resorted back to your cradle religion?

There's interesting middle gorund that could be explored between these two arguments. Should we accept everything that the historical chusrch has put out over the past 2000 years? Should we reject Roman Catholicism carte blanche?

To me both positions are too extreme. But I don't agree with shutting down the discussion without discussing the alternatives. Once we leave the local churches all roads are open. But which one[s] should we take? Discussing such matters might be germaine to the mission of this website. Yes?

The only path we should take is the narrow one that leads to life, it is the one that few find, it is the one that leads to the cross, it is the one that we would never choose, but it is the one that the Lord will lead us to. Just ask Awareness.

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by zeek

To me both positions are extreme. But I don't agree with shutting down the discussion without discussing the alternatives. Once we leave the local churches all roads are open. But which one[s] should we take? Discussing such matters might be germaine to the mission of this website. Yes?

Yes, a resounding YES!

Originally Posted by OBW

As for the idea of using this as a place to practice your skills of persuasion, they should at least be practiced on something worthy of spending time upon. Since the topics have points, pointless and off-topic comments loose their demand for response. But they are given in a manner that demands a response, and in the process sucks the life out of the existing discussion.

And returning to the beginning. The goal of this forum is open discussion, not trixsy bantering by opponents trying to get one by on the others.

Yes, a resounding YES!

Hey, maybe we should keep this thread going after all.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio
It's one thing to no longer trust contemporary leaders who have never earned that trust, but it's another thing to no longer trust those who have been proven over the span of 2,000 years.

Response by awareness:
Sounds like a Roman Catholic answer to me. Have you resorted back to your cradle religion?

There's interesting middle ground that could be explored between these two arguments. Should we accept everything that the historical church has put out over the past 2000 years? Should we reject Roman Catholicism carte blanche?

To me both positions are extreme. But I don't agree with shutting down the discussion without discussing the alternatives. Once we leave the local churches all roads are open. But which one[s] should we take? Discussing such matters might be germaine to the mission of this website. Yes?

Zeek, you seem to equate the "last 2000 years" with the RCC. I don't.

Neither do I accept "everything that the historical church has put out over the past 2000 years."