Antichrist - Alien & Technology Discussion

[Sons to Glory!]

This is certainly not an "article of the faith" topic by any means. However, I seem to be seeing a trend in things, and I wondered if there are others on here who are thinking in a similar way. (I'm not the first by any means - one can certainly find other Christians who have written books, or have websites, that are thinking like this too.)

Two areas I'm considering:

1) Many view science and technology as being the ultimate savior of mankind. The explosion of technology is astounding. And we are getting into some pretty far out things such as advanced artificial intelligence, biogenics and the manipulation thereof, and even paring the two together.

2) At the same time humans have an extreme fascination with space and the possibility of extra-terrestrials. This is fueled all the more with the reports of unexplained phenomena such as UFOs, alien abduction, crop circles, etc.

I am beginning to have the thought that the way many will be deceived will be a combining of the two above things. It will very hard to resist if someone shows up who can demonstrate an absolute superior mastery of technology (apparently producing life itself?), and appears to come from light years away, who lays claim and responsibility for mankind being here . . .

Thoughts? Has this been discussed before here?

[Suannehill]

It has been my belief for years that UFO's etc are demonic manifestations...the scenerio you are describing makes perfect sense. I feel that all of the above is preparing people to accept it all without question.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Suannehill

It has been my belief for years that UFO's etc are demonic manifestations...the scenerio you are describing makes perfect sense. I feel that all of the above is preparing people to accept it all without question.

I ran across this website that deals specifically with UFO phenomena. It is run by believers. There are many, many testimonies by Christians that got involved with it (sightings, abductions, etc.) and say that the whole thing is demonic. http://alienresistance.org/dtelect.htm (see here for the testimonies page: http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm ) It is my consideration that it is a major strategy of the enemy, and it's all building up to the biggest hoodwinking of mankind ever. Talk about your conspiracy theories!!!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

1) Many view science and technology as being the ultimate savior of mankind.

Or the ultimate destruction of humankind. As science has produced some wonderful things, but also, don't forget, the worst kind of WMDs ever created. The count of nuclear warheads in the world in 2009 was over 23,000.

We took even the destruction of the world away from God.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

This is certainly not an "article of the faith" topic by any means. However, I seem to be seeing a trend in things, and I wondered if there are others on here who are thinking in a similar way. (I'm not the first by any means - one can certainly find other Christians who have written books, or have websites, that are thinking like this too.)

Two areas I'm considering:

1) Many view science and technology as being the ultimate savior of mankind. The explosion of technology is astounding. And we are getting into some pretty far out things such as advanced artificial intelligence, biogenics and the manipulation thereof, and even paring the two together.

2) At the same time humans have an extreme fascination with space and the possibility of extra-terrestrials. This is fueled all the more with the reports of unexplained phenomena such as UFOs, alien abduction, crop circles, etc.

I am beginning to have the thought that the way many will be deceived will be a combining of the two above things. It will very hard to resist if someone shows up who can demonstrate an absolute superior mastery of technology (apparently producing life itself?), and appears to come from light years away, who lays claim and responsibility for mankind being here . . .

Thoughts? Has this been discussed before here?

I watched a special on the great pyramid recently. In it they pointed out that there were over 2,000,000 stones each weighing on average 2 tons. In order to lay those in place it would require one stone every 3 minutes being put in place non stop for 30 years. They also showed video of the inside of the pyramid where you could see how incredibly fine these stones were cut. The seems were amazing. Now they were trying to give a theory on how this could have been done. I have seen many theories, but don't buy any of them. Some of the biggest stones in the great pyramid were granite and were 60 tons in weight. There are other stones that were put in place in some other structures the Egyptians built that were around 200 tons.

Personally I find all of the theories presented so far totally ridiculous. For example, they say that they were cutting these stones using copper wire and sand grains. They demonstrated how two people working very hard could, after hours of very difficult labor, get a cut close to an inch into the rock, though not granite, a softer rock. The problem was they didn't even completely cut out one stone weighing 2 tons and yet we're supposed to believe they cut 2,000,000 of them, at a rate of one every 3 minutes? Also, although it did appear that given a good whip, two guys could cut a stone at about a quarter of an inch per hour, the problem was that the result was not as clean a cut as the joints you can see inside the pyramid. So they never demonstrated how they got such clean and straight cuts. Also, they were cutting limestone, a rock much softer than the granite blocks on the inside of the pyramid.

How do slaves lift a stone weighing 200 tons and put it in place? The pulley and lever contraptions they suggest would take a day to set up and move a large stone, they were plopping these stones down every three minutes.

The US would go bankrupt if they tried to build the pyramids today, how is it that the Egyptians could do it thousands of years ago?

How did they see inside the passageways inside the pyramid? If they used torches we would expect to see soot on the walls, but we don't find any soot.

Today we don't use 60 ton blocks of granite or 200 ton blocks of stone because the machinery to move such things would be incredibly massive. yet we are supposed to believe that slaves with ropes and sticks were pulling these things across the desert?

Many questions, so far, no answers.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I watched a special on the great pyramid recently. In it they pointed out that there were over 2,000,000 stones each weighing on average 2 tons. In order to lay those in place it would require one stone every 3 minutes being put in place non stop for 30 years. They also showed video of the inside of the pyramid where you could see how incredibly fine these stones were cut. The seems were amazing. Now they were trying to give a theory on how this could have been done. I have seen many theories, but don't buy any of them. Some of the biggest stones in the great pyramid were granite and were 60 tons in weight. There are other stones that were put in place in some other structures the Egyptians built that were around 200 tons.

Yup. A super being comes from space demonstrating far superior abilities and technology. They say they were the ones that helped the Egyptians build these, and they were worshipped. Anyone who has not experienced Christ would be an idiot not to believe such a display - right?!

Reminds me of the movie Stargate, where aliens were responsible for the pyramids. (Do you think the enemy uses Hollywood and TV to channel ideas like this - programming us for the future?)

[Sons to Glory!]

Well I just watched a DVD I got from the library that was pretty surreal, given the discussion here. The title is "What on Earth? Inside the crop circle mystery." These things are most prevalent and quite prolific in south England, but have been observed all over the world. The video appears to be made by a New Age person, as she has a lot of these types of folks speaking.

While a few of these things are made by humans (usually as hoaxes), the ones that are the big mystery don't exhibit any signs of mechanical makings (which the man made ones do). Their construction and vastly intricate geometry, I'm convinced, are not of this world (or more accurately, not of this physical dimension). Plus the shear number of these things appearing would keep several huge team of people and equipment very, very busy. And it all happens at night, with no evidence of those responsible ever found.

According to the DVD, there seems to be an energy inside these things that interferes with electronics, such as cell phones and cameras. The New Agers go completely goofy with this stuff. They even claim several healings when people are standing in these things.

What is really alarming is some of the things that were said on the DVD. In referring to the phenomena, the DVD producer said, "It has the power to transform the world if we would just let it." Yikes! They believe a UFOer will come to reveal themselves and take responsibility for all of this (i.e., creation). They kept talking about a new transition that will happen to world. They think humans will very soon transcend to another plane. There were several references to many eastern religions, and the Mayan calendar (no mention of Jesus, and only one mention of the Bible). At the end it asks, "Are we being prepared for contact?" Lord Jesus have mercy - they don't know what they are saying!

And here's something I found particularly interesting. They talked several times about two views that had been divergent, but now are coming together. One view is scientific materialism; the other is concerning spiritism. This is almost exactly what I said were the two areas I perceived that are converging, which I stated at the start of this thread. (I hadn't seen this video at that point.) But on the DVD they say that the two are coming together, and it will likely be fully manifested by this coming extra-terrestrial! Wow - is that a setup or what?!

[Suannehill]

It seems so clear...Lord Jesus be merciful!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

They believe a UFOer will come to reveal themselves and take responsibility for all of this (i.e., creation). They kept talking about a new transition that will happen to world. They think humans will very soon transcend to another plane.

Well I read a lot. And I went thru a Zecharia Sitchin period. Sitchin translates Sumerian hieroglyphics, and tells of how "the gods" came from outer space, and mixed their DNA with that of apes, and in some cases mud, to create the human race ... and the purpose of that human race was, to serve the gods.

But I'm one that don't put a lot of stock in what others have to say. People can be wacky and see wacky. One of my neighbors, for example, goes up to the restaurant and fights with invisible people, that he acts like he sees, but nobody else sees.

I have to encounter it for myself to really buy into it.

And I'm insulted. I must not be outer-space-peoples kind of material. They've never visited me, and I never seen their spacecrafts, and have never been abducted, or had my orifices probed. I'm a space alien's reject.

But I'm not superstitious about all the possibilities of UFOs. We may not be inclined to admit it, or even see it, but we're space aliens. The earth is every bit in outerspace as any of the so far discovered 125 billion galaxies.

And if outer-space-people exist why should we just assume they would be demons? Cuz in truth they'd qualify as neighbors that we should love.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

And I'm insulted. I must not be outer-space-peoples kind of material. They've never visited me, and I never seen their spacecrafts, and have never been abducted, or had my orifices probed. I'm a space alien's reject.

Hey Harold,
Don't consider yourself insulted if you've never been visited or abducted...that is God's protection over you. No weapon formed against you Awareness is going to prosper...unless you choose to forsake your Faith and Trust in Jesus Christ.

I have a book "The Alien Interviews" & a DVD 'The Watchers -#1) by LA Marzulli on alien abduction interviews. As I went through the interviews and read about their horrific experiences, I kept looking for clues if any of these people believed in and trusted in the Blood of Jesus.

LA asks a person who had been abducted the following question:
How successful have you been in fighting them off ?

Answer: That comment makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time. There is no way to fight them. They control your mind and your body. Even when I prayed to God to make them stop, nothing happened; they kept on with their agenda.

Intersting I thought. But nothing on calling upon JESUS or on His Blood. Since I KNOW first hand the Power of the Blood of the Lamb, I was not surprised nothing happened when he 'prayed'.

Praying to God is not enough. If this person had called on the Name above Every Name, JESUS to save him from these evil aliens, He would have rescued him. I KNOW because I have been physically attacked by demons, or maybe they were aliens (fallen angels) because demons possess a person, they go inside of objects, people or animals. Fallen angels/aliens do not.

I am certain the entities I encountered were not trying to get inside my body. So maybe what I thought were demons were really ALIENS/Fallen angels. Chuckle if you want but really. I am now wondering knowing what I know NOW, if indeed I was visited by aliens. And AWARENESS: NO ! Don't even think for one nano second I was 'lucky' ! I would MUCH RATHER BE visited by GOD HIMSELF than a gross, filthy, ugly, evil, wicked thing !

I have never seen an evil entity but I have felt them walk towards me and that presence is so incredibly evil, words can't express. Yet every time I felt that evil presence walking towards me (in my bedroom, through an entry way) I always said "Lord Jesus. Sprinkle Your Blood on this room and on me." Those evil creatures would IMMEDIATELY leave. I also want to emphasize, they WALKED towards me. As they or it (don't know if there was more than one) got closer, the evil presence got stronger. Only once did I miss the thing walking towards me because I was in a deep sleep. But what happened to me, was it grabbed hold of my throat. It was not sleep paralysis because I felt a huge gross monster like entity next to my bed with it's ugly, filthy hands on my throat & its' evil presence hovering over me.

I could not speak, that is open my mouth. But with my HEART and with my MIND, I began to say "Jesus". I kept saying "Jesus" with my mind and heart. Then I felt the grip loosen on my throat. As it began to remove its' hedious hands off me, I began to whisper "JESUS". It began to step away and as it did I began to speak the Name of Jesus until I found myself YELLING "JESUS" "JESUS" "LORD JESUS". That thing immediately disappeared but I was left a bit shaken.

To my recollection, that was the last time a demon/alien has walked into my room and that was about 5 yrs ago.

So I KNOW first hand the Power of the NAME of JESUS and I KNOW first hand the Power of His Blood.

Sorry to have changed lanes, back to the interviews, I finally found some one who had victory over the alien !

LA: What did the thing look like?

L.G.: A silver glos, but it wasn't bright and sunny. It was lit up. It had the wickedest spirit I have ever felt. I couldn't say anyting; my voice was choked...I couldn't make it work. [sounds like what happened to me in my room!] I was paralyzed with fear. It overwhelmed me. I knew the only thing I could do was plead the Blood of Jesus. I kept repeating it over & over. Little by little it faded away. It went into nothing and was gone. And all of its wickedness went with it.

This person's experience was very similar to mine only I never opened my eyes to look at the thing choking me. The other entities that came towards me were invisible to my eyes but I sensed them or it WALKING towards me.

I have had about 5-6 of these demonic encounters in my lifetime AFTER becoming a Christian. 3 of those times, I lived a luke warm life..would not let go of hidden sin. The other 2-3 times, they were simply out to steal, kill and destroy me. I don't think they were too happy with how I had totally turned my life around & surrendered it to Jesus Christ purposing in my heart to live a sanctified life by the Help and Power of His Holy Spirit working in me. Certainly NOT by my own strength ! Lord knows that doesn't work !

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Well I read a lot. And I went thru a Zecharia Sitchin period. Sitchin translates Sumerian hieroglyphics, and tells of how "the gods" came from outer space, and mixed their DNA with that of apes, and in some cases mud, to create the human race ... and the purpose of that human race was, to serve the gods.

But I'm one that don't put a lot of stock in what others have to say. People can be wacky and see wacky. One of my neighbors, for example, goes up to the restaurant and fights with invisible people, that he acts like he sees, but nobody else sees.

I have to encounter it for myself to really buy into it.

And I'm insulted. I must not be outer-space-peoples kind of material. They've never visited me, and I never seen their spacecrafts, and have never been abducted, or had my orifices probed. I'm a space alien's reject.

But I'm not superstitious about all the possibilities of UFOs. We may not be inclined to admit it, or even see it, but we're space aliens. The earth is every bit in outerspace as any of the so far discovered 125 billion galaxies.

And if outer-space-people exist why should we just assume they would be demons? Cuz in truth they'd qualify as neighbors that we should love.

Check out the testimonies of Christians regarding UFO encounters here: http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm Many testify that after seeing the things (including those appearing as ghosts, dead loved ones, etc.) and having encounters with other beings for some time, that by turning to the Lord these things go away permanently! They want nothing to do with Jesus Christ!

[countmeworthy]

Last year I began listening to George Noory on Coast to Coast AM. He's on very late at night and Thank God for You Tube because it is mucho easier for me to listen to his program there ! He took Art Bell's place for those of you who might have heard of Art Bell.

One of the topics he & his guests and callers discuss are UFOs, Alien Abductions, the supernatural, high tech, and so much more. He has very intelligent scholars both True Christians and non-Christians. George is a big fan of the late Zecharia Sitchin (Awareness). While he had some interesting theories, I don't know enough about him to form an opinion. I don't believe he was a true born again believer though.

One thing I have learned in recent years is the difference between Fallen Angels and Demons. Sometimes people interchange the 2 entities but they are not the same.

I have learned the phrase 'Sons of God' in the OT refer to Angels but in the NT 'Sons of God' refer to God's people, the Believers.

The sons of God in Genesis 6 were fallen angels. When they took the form of men & married the ungodly women, they produced Nephelim or giants. We are told in Luke 17:26, And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:

So if fallen angels were having sex w/ungodly women in the days of Noah, so shall it happen again in the last days before Christ returns. (Christ returns in 2 stages: The Rapture FOR the saints and His Second coming at the battle of Armegeddon WITH the saints.)

When exactly will the fallen angels & the ungodly begin to produce Nephelim is not clear BUT I have discovered that the Alien Abductions are fallen angels trying to mix the seed of the serpent with humans and produce a hybrid race (Nephelim) Remember....Satan is a counterfeit, a liar, a thief, a murderer, a deceiver, a destroyer.

Brothers in Christ such as Chuck Missler, Perry Stone, L.A. Marzulli, Stan Deyo, Steve Quayle and others have enlightened me immensely on this subject.

Here are some interesting websites for those interested:
LAMarzulli.net
StanDeyo.com
SteveQualye.com
www.nephilim.nl (Chuck Missler)

You can also YouTube Chuck Missler & Perry Stone for their biblical explanations on the Nephelim. LA Marzulli, Steve Quale and Stan Deyo have been interviewed on C2C as has Chuck but the last time I heard Chuck on C2C, he was either very tired or is getting up there in years as he rambled more than give information.

[awareness]

Great post CMW. Thanks for the links and info. But where does it say that the women that the "sons of God" took as wives were "ungodly?" All I see is that they were "fair" or pretty. And why weren't "the sons of God" called outright "fallen angels?"

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Great post CMW. Thanks for the links and info. But where does it say that the women that the "sons of God" took as wives were "ungodly?" All I see is that they were "fair" or pretty."

See post #88 in "an outsiders story" that should clear this up for you.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

See post #88 in "an outsiders story" that should clear this up for you.

Originally Posted by Post #88

He wound up getting married to a pretty, sweet sister as I remember.

So you are saying not much has changed since the sons of god thought the daughters of men were fair?

Those fair daughters of men? Maybe CMW is right, they're all godless. Their only crime being of CBA (Child Bearing Age) ... with every cell of their body crying out for reproduction, and propagating the species.

Is that ungodly?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

So you are saying not much has changed since the sons of god thought the daughters of men were fair?

Those fair daughters of men? Maybe CMW is right, they're all godless. Their only crime being of CBA (Child Bearing Age) ... with every cell of their body crying out for reproduction, and propagating the species.

Is that ungodly?

Are you saying all women are "godless"? Yer not saying that are you!? (It's okay, I won't tell your wife - if you are married . . .)

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Great post CMW. Thanks for the links and info. But where does it say that the women that the "sons of God" took as wives were "ungodly?" All I see is that they were "fair" or pretty. And why weren't "the sons of God" called outright "fallen angels?"

Oh I'm sorry. Do you mean to say only UGLY women are ungodly ??? Now do you think these ugly creatures are going to go after ugly women ?

The point is.......if the women were GODLY, they would not have been approached by these creatures OR if they had, the GODLY women would have driven them away by their commitment to GOD.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

1) Many view science and technology as being the ultimate savior of mankind. The explosion of technology is astounding. And we are getting into some pretty far out things such as advanced artificial intelligence, biogenics and the manipulation thereof, and even paring the two together.

2) At the same time humans have an extreme fascination with space and the possibility of extra-terrestrials. .. UFOs, alien abduction, crop circles, etc.

I am beginning to have the thought that the way many will be deceived will be a combining of the two above things. It will very hard to resist if someone shows up who can demonstrate an absolute superior mastery of technology (apparently producing life itself?), and appears to come from light years away, who lays claim and responsibility for mankind being here . . .

Thoughts? Has this been discussed before here?

The mainstream church doesn't like to, or want to, or know how to address these questions but there are many, many Christians who are digging deep addressing these topics, me being one of them.

Keep in mind Ephesians 6:12
"Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but
against the principalities (rulers),
against the powers,
against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places"

Satan is the master deceiver. To the world, he will trick them to believe ETs, Aliens, etc (all of which are fallen angels) are sent here to 'save' mankind. Many Christians believe when the dead in Christ rise up and we who are alive are caught up with them in the clouds to meet Jesus in the Air in the twinkling of an eye, Aliens will land on earth in their UFOS deceiving them with signs & wonders.

Isn't it interesting that the famous alleged crash of an alien spacecraft took place at Roswell, NM in 1947, on the heals of Hitler's defeat and Israel once more became a nation in May of 1948? When Israel became a nation again, Satan knew that his time was short and the Lord would be returning soon. Since then Satan has accelerated the pace imo to brainwash and deceive the masses to believe in aliens and UFOs.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Isn't it interesting that the famous alleged crash of an alien spacecraft took place at Roswell, NM in 1947, on the heals of Hitler's defeat and Israel once more became a nation in May of 1948? When Israel became a nation again, Satan knew that his time was short and the Lord would be returning soon. Since then Satan has acceslerated the pace imo to brainwash and deceive the masses to believe in aliens and UFOs.

Interesting observation CMW.

You are right about the distractions that Satan uses to deny the existence of God and discredit His word. Another chief distraction is evolution.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Since then Satan has accelerated the pace imo to brainwash and deceive the masses to believe in aliens and UFOs.

Except the UFOers are the fringe of the masses, not the masses.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Except the UFOers are the fringe of the masses, not the masses.

"I have just learned from the producer that last nights UFO Hunters Area 51 show was the 2nd most watched show on the History Channel so far this year! (Not just the most-watched show of the series but nearly most popular on the whole network.)"

I did a simple google search for the ratings of UFO hunter, a History channel program, and it is clear that the ratings are pretty high. On what basis are you saying that only the fringe of the masses are interested in this? Is that a knock on the History channel?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Except the UFOers are the fringe of the masses, not the masses.

And you know that how ???

[countmeworthy]

Here is an interesting article on "The Upcoming Great Deception" written by a Jewish Christian.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1206/deception.html

Carol G

[awareness]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

And you know that how ???

Because most people don't believe in UFOs. For example, do you believe in UFOs?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Because most people don't believe in UFOs. For example, do you believe in UFOs?

Depends how you define a UFO. If you accept "Unidentified Flying Object" I think most everyone would believe in those.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by awareness

Because most people don't believe in UFOs. For example, do you believe in UFOs?

Depends on your definition of 'believe'. I know what UFOs are. I believe people have seen flying saucer like objects. I believe people have been abducted by 'greys'. There is a lot of compelling evidence and not one person has been excited and thrilled w/the experience.

Greys/aliens are nothing more than principilaties and powers of the air and spiritual wickedness in high places in other words fallen angels or demons or both. Simple as that. Of the countless of interviews brothers in Christ like LA Marzulli had w/abductees, not one was a true believer/follower of Jesus Christ. One who came close to being abducted applied the Blood of Jesus and the entity released him....but then if you had read my post a while back, you'd know this.

Maybe you did...and simply have a short memory...that happens w/old age...

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Except the UFOers are the fringe of the masses, not the masses.

You may be missing the point - it's that much of mankind is looking for the answer in either science or in something/someone outside the Earth. UFOs are just a piece of that. If someone comes that seems to be the embodiment of the answer to both these areas of searching, they will pretty much have a huge built-in following.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Isn't it interesting that the famous alleged crash of an alien spacecraft took place at Roswell, NM in 1947, on the heals of Hitler's defeat and Israel once more became a nation in May of 1948? When Israel became a nation again, Satan knew that his time was short and the Lord would be returning soon. Since then Satan has accelerated the pace imo to brainwash and deceive the masses to believe in aliens and UFOs.

Yes, it does seem the timetable was accelerated with Israel's statehood, and it appears that many paranormal activities increased. (Not sure, but it may be that crop circles may have started escalating soon after that - would be interesting to know . . .)