Weekly Revival Reading - Your Opinion?

[Guest2]

I dont mean to turn this into a bashing thread.

But to be honest, they ALWAYS talk about the in-dwelling spirit or some form or kind of dispensing.

But just wondering what you guys think about this,

Thanks,

[OBW]

I know that some may disagree with me on this, but while I find nothing particularly bad, or incorrect about the portion you posted, what I do find is one more example of emphasis on mysterious, spiritual things that do not really have any impact on your real life. The story of Jesus telling the disciples that he would send the Holy Spirit (in so many words) helps us understand that we are not without that paraclete as we live this life. But for the LRC (and much of the "inner life" teachers) they mostly ignore real life and focus almost exclusively on spiritual life. Everything revolves around this mystical union. It does everything. It takes care of everything.

Even the understanding of the "paraclete" as simply being the one who does it all for you is an error. Other scripture lays it out much better. We now have an indwelling. And with that indwelling we are capable of actually living the life that was previously commanded but needed sacrifices because it could not be done.

This is what makes so much of Lee's teachings difficult to simply dispense with. A lot of it is, in isolation, quite sound. It is that when viewed together, there is a great lack. There is a disdain for obedience. In fact, they seem proud at times to suggest (in different terms) that disobedience is preferable to obedience as long as you are "in your spirit." And that is just plain wrong. And it is what a diet of almost entirely "spiritual" teachings gives you — an appetite for spirituality but no appetite for righteousness.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by OBW

I know that some may disagree with me on this,..

Excellent point Mike H.

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by OBW

I know that some may disagree with me on this,...

Yeah that sort of makes sense. They focus on being in the "spirit" all the time rather then dis-obedience, sin, righteousness. Its being in the "spirit" thats important.

I find being in the "spirit" to be an abstract meaning. I mean sure when I worship God or when I see someone serving God, I feel touched and one could say its an euphoric feeling. Another response is that you just know when your in the spirit. I think its great to be in the presence of Gods spirit and all but being Christian isnt JUST about that.

What about those Christians who says "God hates america" or "God hates fags" (Westboro) they could be "in the spirit" but one person outside of it would say no their not because their spreading hate. But to them they could be "in the spirit". It is a subjective experience right?

Shouldnt we focus on avoiding sin, obedience, righteousness, Gods love and being in the spirit will be a "result" of those actions?

Oh and.. can anyone explain to be what a all-inclusive processed consummated triune god means...

Here is another reading about being in the spirit. Which is like OBW said fine for the most part by itself. ("I think")

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Leomon

Oh and.. can anyone explain to be what a all-inclusive processed consummated triune god means...

I must be analyzed on several levels.

It is literally a concatenation of independent terms, each of which is probably correct (at some level and under the right lexicon).

It is a complex conglomeration of terms designed to elevate the self image of the one(s) using the terminology.

It is jargon designed to baffle and alienate anyone who does not simply nod and shout "Amen!" at hearing/reading it.

It is jargon designed to obfuscate what it is actually saying or divert attention from something else said nearby as you feel obligated to shout "Amen!" because the use of such overtly spiritual-sounding terminology must be noble and above reproach.

I'm sure that other uses can be suggested.

And I am not trying to refute that God is triune. Or that he went through a "process" in being born growing up, preaching, being crucified, resurrecting and ascending to the right hand of the father (although "process" is not the first term that comes to mind because it sounds so clinical). Or that he is not all-inclusive. Or that he is not the "consummate" in every sense of the word.

But the stringing together of such terms is nothing short of baffling. And it is by no means the most elaborate phrase the LRC ever came up with.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by OBW

I must be analyzed on several levels.

Does this mean you've been allegorized?

Originally Posted by OBW

It is literally a concatenation of independent terms, each of which is probably correct (at some level and under the right lexicon).

It is a complex conglomeration of terms designed to elevate the self image of the one(s) using the terminology.

It is jargon designed to baffle and alienate anyone who does not simply nod and shout "Amen!" at hearing/reading it.

It is jargon designed to obfuscate what it is actually saying or divert attention from something else said nearby as you feel obligated to shout "Amen!" because the use of such overtly spiritual-sounding terminology must be noble and above reproach.

I'm sure that other uses can be suggested.

Absolutely, this kind of "vocabulary" is much more about how and why you're saying it, not so much about what you're actually saying. It's not nearly so much about communication to help other people understand, as it is about positioning yourself, and positioning others.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Does this mean you've been allegorized?

Just goes to show that relying on a spell checker but not a re-reading is insufficient.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Leomon

I dont mean to turn this into a bashing thread.
But to be honest, they ALWAYS talk about the in-dwelling spirit or some form or kind of dispensing.
But just wondering what you guys think about this,
Thanks,

A necessity if you want to be in-sync with what your locality is taking at any particular time.
Whether there is a kind of dispensing is an individual matter.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Leomon

I dont mean to turn this into a bashing thread.
But to be honest, they ALWAYS talk about the in-dwelling spirit or some form or kind of dispensing.
But just wondering what you guys think about this,
Thanks,

Leomon,

I totally get the 'in the Spirit' jargon the LSM/LC espouses. Fundamentally, if one searches the scriptures, the teaching is aligned w/the Word of God. The closer our walk with God, His Spirit teaches us to abide in the Word of God and His Spirit opens our eyes to understand the scriptures which are our daily Bread and the Water which quenches our thirst.

This info truly comes from Revelation & experience...not merely by teaching or doctrine via the LC/LSM or otherwise.

That out of the way, based on my observation and my own personal experience, they have stopped teaching Repentance. They have stopped teaching what the bible has to say about sin. They have focused so much if not completely on 'enjoying the Lord' (via Lee's teachings mind you) as if all will be well so long as you 'enjoy' Him. That 'enjoyment' in their eyes has led to their obsession w/of 'dispensing' the spirit.

You are absolutely correct in raising the question:

Shouldnt we focus on avoiding sin, obedience, righteousness, Gods love and being in the spirit will be a "result" of those actions?

They don't know how to focus on those matters because ehy have let sin set in so much in their system. The only thing that matters to them is obeying "Lee's" messages and reading the footnotes, sprinkled w/Nee's teachings. So in the end, being 'in the spirit' is all about Lee, his messages, his footnotes, his ministry. Jesus is on the back burner....wayyyyy in the back.

To your question:

Oh and.. can anyone explain to be what a all-inclusive processed consummated triune god means...

Imo, to them it simply means calling "O Lord Jeeeesus."