Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion

Indiana · 08-09-2011, 06:34 PM

www.twoturmoils.com/SubtleIssues.pdf

What two major leaders in “the Lord’s recovery referred to as “subtle issues” and “dissenting accusations”, others regarded as major matters of Christian conscience and causes of stumbling that needed desperate attention from responsible church leaders.

TLFisher · 08-09-2011, 10:16 PM

It has been 14 years since Ron spoke those words. Does he still feel that way in 2011?
Does Ron think saints left the local churches over subtle issues of right and wrong and not over gross sin?

OBW · 08-09-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

It has been 14 years since Ron spoke those words. Does he still feel that way in 2011?
Does Ron think saints left the local churches over subtle issues of right and wrong and not over gross sin?

What really baffles me is not that they are surprised that some left. It is that more don't just scream out that this rule that accepts evil because talking about its occurrence bothers you can't be righteous.

TLFisher · 08-09-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

What really baffles me is not that they are surprised that some left. It is that more don't just scream out that this rule that accepts evil because talking about its occurrence bothers you can't be righteous.

Who is to say there weren't more that spoke out. Still there is the thought many have left silently because;
1. Objection=divisiveness
2. Realization speaking out if on church property=escort off church property
3. An awareness brothers are to reject posionous speaking and anything noted as objection=poison.

Since there is no way for there to be a forum within the local assembly to be listened to, one recourse of action is coming to this internet forum.

OBW · 08-10-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

Since there is no way for there to be a forum within the local assembly to be listened to, one recourse of action is coming to this internet forum.

I've heard a present LRCer complain of this very thing. There is no forum in which you can even ask a question.

awareness · 08-10-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

I've heard a present LRCer complain of this very thing. There is no forum in which you can even ask a question.

Whine, whine...

Here's one : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/localchurch/

rayliotta · 08-10-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

I've heard a present LRCer complain of this very thing. There is no forum in which you can even ask a question.

Much more spiritual to just stare at each other...

OBW · 08-09-2011, 10:25 PM

Here's an interesting perspective concerning right and wrong that I heard recently. The problem is not that we came to know right from wrong, good from evil, as the result of Adam's sin. It was that we ceased to take God as the source of our knowledge of good and evil and instead substituted our own "enhanced" knowledge. It started immediately with the realization of nakedness and the sewing of leaves together as a cover.

"Who told you that you were naked?" The answer is "we told ourselves."

What the entire teaching by Lee on this subject misses is that it is not that right and wrong is a problem, and that staying away from trying to determine right from wrong is a solution. It is that we are willing, and ready, to take our own way on the subject. Like declaring that we can ignore right and wrong and just care for the spirit (or Spirit). If you use some mantra about death as a way to avoid the truth, then you are intentionally choosing evil according to your own way. Why your own way? Because if we truly cared for the Spirit, we would find that He really does lead us to fulfill the righteousness of the law. If we aren't there, then we really didn't care for the Spirit.

TLFisher · 08-09-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

What the entire teaching by Lee on this subject misses is that it is not that right and wrong is a problem, and that staying away from trying to determine right from wrong is a solution. It is that we are willing, and ready, to take our own way on the subject. Like declaring that we can ignore right and wrong and just care for the spirit (or Spirit). If you use some mantra about death as a way to avoid the truth, then you are intentionally choosing evil according to your own way. Why your own way? Because if we truly cared for the Spirit, we would find that He really does lead us to fulfill the righteousness of the law. If we aren't there, then we really didn't care for the Spirit.

The decades old mantra of not caring for right and wrong has become an evasive slogan to avoid confronting unrighteous matters. There is too much fleshly incentive for the brothers to be one with one another that unrighteousness cannot be confronted and as a result unrighteousness is tolerated.

zeek · 08-10-2011, 08:19 AM

"Life" was supposed to transcend "good and evil". This is a dangerous teaching espoused by would-be mystics, anarchists, radical philosophers like Nietzsche and the cult of experience. It is a cloak behind which to hide unethical and illegal acts.

09-05-2012, 06:52 AM

exceptional site post. I am going to bookmark localchurchdiscussions.com and check out a lot more often. I really like the website template

08-09-2011, 06:34 PM	#1
Indiana Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 713	Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion www.twoturmoils.com/SubtleIssues.pdf What two major leaders in “the Lord’s recovery referred to as “subtle issues” and “dissenting accusations”, others regarded as major matters of Christian conscience and causes of stumbling that needed desperate attention from responsible church leaders.

08-09-2011, 10:16 PM	#2
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,545	Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion It has been 14 years since Ron spoke those words. Does he still feel that way in 2011? Does Ron think saints left the local churches over subtle issues of right and wrong and not over gross sin?

08-09-2011, 10:25 PM	#8
OBW Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: DFW area Posts: 4,384	Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion Here's an interesting perspective concerning right and wrong that I heard recently. The problem is not that we came to know right from wrong, good from evil, as the result of Adam's sin. It was that we ceased to take God as the source of our knowledge of good and evil and instead substituted our own "enhanced" knowledge. It started immediately with the realization of nakedness and the sewing of leaves together as a cover. "Who told you that you were naked?" The answer is "we told ourselves." What the entire teaching by Lee on this subject misses is that it is not that right and wrong is a problem, and that staying away from trying to determine right from wrong is a solution. It is that we are willing, and ready, to take our own way on the subject. Like declaring that we can ignore right and wrong and just care for the spirit (or Spirit). If you use some mantra about death as a way to avoid the truth, then you are intentionally choosing evil according to your own way. Why your own way? Because if we truly cared for the Spirit, we would find that He really does lead us to fulfill the righteousness of the law. If we aren't there, then we really didn't care for the Spirit. __________________ Mike I think . . . . I think I am . . . . therefore I am, I think — Edge OR . . . . You may be right, I may be crazy — Joel

08-10-2011, 08:19 AM	#10
zeek Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 4,223	Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion "Life" was supposed to transcend "good and evil". This is a dangerous teaching espoused by would-be mystics, anarchists, radical philosophers like Nietzsche and the cult of experience. It is a cloak behind which to hide unethical and illegal acts.

09-05-2012, 06:52 AM	#11
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Subtle Issues of Right and Wrong During the late 80s Rebellion exceptional site post. I am going to bookmark localchurchdiscussions.com and check out a lot more often. I really like the website template