Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ

TLFisher · 02-02-2011, 09:51 PM

This post is from an email I received from a brother in Malaysia. It's Watchman Nee's message accepting and receiving fellow believers in Christ. The email was in Chinese and used Google for translation. Please bear.

We know the difference between believers and the world to care about have not accepted Christ, does not have the Holy Spirit. People who have the Holy Spirit, is an almost God; does not have the Holy Spirit who, even the Lord is gone. We also know that all listen to the Gospel be saved, had the Spirit, not after the second step of the procedure to the church in the natural elements. If you are living in one place, just naturally is that the molecules of a local church; if it is scattered in various places to have natural elements is that the church universal. Although the number is at best, as long as a true Christian, and everyone naturally into one of the.

』『 One is under the divine, that every believer in common

Reason why the number of the children of God, there are many, scattered in many different places, also live in many different time, but they are before God is still a church? How is able to graft in a fixed place, there are many believers, but they are still in that one place is a church? Why they are one of it? How do so many Christians do one? These different backgrounds, different races, different nationalities, different education, different social, experience different people together, how can one then ask them?

Christian unity is not artificial, not everyone, after discussions, we support the need to unity, so one. Christian unity, is due to the time when people believe in Christ, God the next one 』『 placed in our hearts. 』『 This one is every believer, it is almost common to the Lord's people. Because the children of God, each had this in a mystery 』『 sake of unity, so they can unity. 『This one, termed as the Bible』『』 unity of the Holy Spirit (Eph. IV 3).

』『 Unity of the Holy Spirit which is shared by Christians of the Holy Spirit

The unity of the Holy Spirit this 『』 which is common to every Christian the Holy Spirit. This is one of us living in the heart of the Holy Spirit, but one Spirit. So He will call every people who live there with him, have another one as his own kind of unity. God is through them that were out from the world, and God called them to each other because of this one. Believers and the world so different from that in this; faithful to each other so the same is here. To know whether the person belong to Christ, is to look at this one; unity among Christians, but also through this one. Christ in the Holy Spirit, that we and the world is different also makes us believers to each other the same.

So is a Christian organization, we therefore can not be separated, not because of any reason why they separate (except for local reasons,) is because there are to each other that we did the same. If anyone does not this one, we can not count him as brothers, but he was an outside person. But if he has this one, he is the people inside; we have are one people, we will not be any reason to separate. All have the Holy Spirit, such a person is, is impossible to separate out. We are fundamentally, life, the mind has been into one of the. Therefore, Paul said, See, I urge you prisoner, since called, walk in a manner to when the ex called commensurate with; humble and gentle, patient, bearing with one another in love, with peace with each other every effort to keep 』unity of the Holy Spirit (Eph d 1 to 3).

We should note that Paul is not to say to one another in unity, but said he should be a conservative one. We can not keep the things we do not have; we can only conservative in what we have. He advised us to a conservative one, because we already have this one, now we shall keep it. Lord did not ask us to unity with other believers, the Lord did not ask us to create a one to, but the Lord told us to keep us in the Lord of the existing one, is that we have been brought by the Holy Spirit with the. When we believe the Lord, we have received the unity of the. We were by the Holy Spirit and the world, but also because of the Holy Spirit inside each other into one of the. And we do not have to create a unity between believers, we have to understand that to see, to acknowledge that we received the Holy Spirit is the believer in the unity of the.

Can not create a unity, but it can destroy the function of this one

We can not create a unity, because we have unity in Christ through the Holy Spirit has. However, we are able to destroy this unity of function, call it God's children can not be revealed. Therefore, we obtained the order, is a conservative should be tried. Poor, how much, we not only does not conservative, they undermine, not to mention trying out.
So, who are our brothers? We do not see their views about the Bible and our common or not, they focus on the same spiritual experience with us or not, their habits, customs, habits, life, interests, and we are the same or not. But all are blood bought, for the children of God, the Holy Spirit lives in him who is our brother. We can not expect the unity of the body, the unity of opinion, or the other one, we can only see the unity of the Holy Spirit. Have the unity that the people in the Lord. And I live with a people who have this one, that is, and I with the Church. We were separated, not only because of the unity and separation; and human joint, can only have this one because of the joint.

How much, when you travel, the train, in the ships, and you meet a quiet, godly man. Then talk, you know he is a owner who is redeemed by the blood, is one of your brothers. Although you have no previous acquaintance with him, but you have hit it off, and feeling what a joy. At that time, your heart is full of unknowingly to his love. This is because you and the unity of the Holy Spirit he has 『. 』Feeling in your heart, that is, the role of the unity of the Holy Spirit. Which when the power of this one which really transcends race, nationality, social difference, and that you complete one in the Spirit. But when you talk about Bible truth, perhaps in the prophecy to see the explanation, and you very different. You love his heart to leak out. You see it? You are now standing in another status, where are you going to find one, but not conservative, not conservative This is a trying one of the Holy Spirit, so the results you might want to broke up. Today, children of God, respectively, because this is not a conservative one.

Seven things prove that the unity of the Holy Spirit revealed

How do we know people have this one it? If this were the unity of the Holy Spirit, in appearance, enough to see what can we do? How can we know he is a brother? So, Paul tells us below, one person who has the Holy Spirit, he must be with us on the other seven things the same. We can not hope for him and us, and everything the same pieces, but we hope he was able to have seven things, and it is we are the same. This seven things that prove that a person has a unity of the Holy Spirit. This is obvious because seven of the Holy Spirit one of the reason that we should be every effort to keep the seven, focusing on the seven pieces. While the rest of the matter is critical, but only seven can be concluded that the traffic we Christians. Therefore, we request people to be limited to the seven.

『Only one body, the Holy Spirit is only one, as you were called in one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God, the Father of all, beyond all the above, and through all being, but also to live within us all (Eph d 4 to 6, the original). Here, seven 『a』, is the unity of the Holy Spirit and relevant. Each letter of Christ, is inside the church, we can call him brother, and we have transportation, are due to the unity of the Holy Spirit, in this seven things on the same. The seven 『a』 is shared by every Christian. Do not need one more, one less is not OK. The seven identical, and the people of our transport requirements. Not more than that, can not less than this. Because more than this, to be tempted to shut out some of his brother; less than this, should not the brother inevitably mixed in there. If we are to every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit, we must pay attention to these seven pieces, not the seven other children with God on any problems.

(A) one body and one

We can not and human unity, the first question is what he is not part of the body of Christ. We and the scope of human unity is the body of Christ. Not there, of course, and we have nothing to do in the. Where in there, are, and we have traffic. We can not have chosen the body of Christ traffic. What is Christ's body? The body of Christ, that is, partake of Christ. The body of Christ, there is a better characterization is that Sunday night a cake. You broke it broke it, finished, but brothers and sisters in every pie belly, and if together, it is still a piece of cake. This is the body of Christ. Body of Christ, is that each person has the life of Christ together as a success. You have a little life of Christ, I have a life of Christ, these life together, is the whole of Christ. Each of us is part of the body of Christ. Therefore, to accept a person, regardless of his background, regardless of how his class, no matter how the truth, what matters is to ask if he has points in the body of Christ? If he has inside Christ, he is our brother. If for various reasons, we want to reject a man for his brother; we dare say that he is not a physical body of Christ? If he is, anyway, (in addition to the grounds outside the Bible), we have to accept him. We can not accept these limbs, and refused it a few limbs. We are the same but within a body, there is no separation possible. If both we and his body, we have reason to reject him. If we can not are meant he was not the same members of the body, for we must keep, and his unity. Everyone, we asked him, if it was part of the body of Christ is our brother, In addition to no more requirements.

(B) there is a Holy Spirit

A Christian, not only he has a point inside the life of Christ, and he believed the Lord, but also the Holy Spirit living in him. I have the spirit of my son, but he also had a son, spirit. Perhaps his interest and I am not the same, perhaps he acts the same way and I do not, however, as long as the Holy Spirit inside the same Holy Spirit inside me just fine.

He receives the Holy Spirit is not it? I can not say that the Holy Spirit within him it? I dare say he is affected by the evil it? Perhaps the Holy Spirit when he when he was outside of the table, a little magic, what you dislike. Perhaps you are opposed to such Pentecostal usually the case. However, only one Holy Spirit. The Bible is not to say, is no movement of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not hot events. The Bible is not explicit as to whether a table outside the standards of the Holy Spirit? To whether the Bible is that Jesus is Lord 『』 (Cor-second 3), as a test whether the Holy Spirit. So, in you, tell you that Jesus is the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord; the spirit in him has told him that if Jesus is Lord, he is also the Holy Spirit. If he received the Holy Spirit, your income is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only one, all with a body in the Lord, but there is no separation possible.

(C) only one called hope

This is not to say that all hope is the same. There is only one point is called by the same hope, as Christians books have the same hope. We look forward to what is it? Is hope in the glory of Christ forever. No one who is not the Master and the hope of glory, almost no one is looking forward to the Lord who is not looking forward to days. Called because of there is always a hope of glory. People who do not have a Christian, never mind the glory go to. Such a person, the decision does not belong to the Lord. Our future in heaven is to live together forever, and we did not separate on the ground today may be. We have the same future, when we have the same distance.

(D) a primary

Only one Lord, Jesus. We recognize Jesus of Nazareth, God has made Him both Lord and Christ, so we have to serve Him. Their Lord, our Lord. Each other, the acknowledged master of the serve is one, so we could not separate.

(E) a letter

Here's the letter, the letter of faith. This is a letter 『』 people do not mean the truth of the Bible have the same letter of the Law said. The Bible is no such requirement. One letter refers to the Christian faith of the public said. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, believers to die is to save sinners, to play the sins of sinners? If no such confidence, he does not belong to Christ's. If there is confidence that the person who belong to Christ. All God's children in the interpretation of the truth can have many different views, but the fundamental beliefs but for the same. Do not have faith that people have nothing to do with us; have this faith to our brethren have. We can not expect less than this, less than a Christian would be to mix in it. We can not expect more than this, more will be the true Christians off outside.

(F) a dip

Was baptized in it? Is watering it? Is the dip for a while? Is immersed three times it? Water when the surface is facing up it? Or, bending it? Baptist plenty of style, as if it were point to really make a lot of Christians are separated from the outside. The dip here is what does that mean? Paul said, 『Christ divided? Paul crucified for you it? You are the instructions from Paul baptized in the name of it? 』(13 Cor.) From this view, the meaning of a dip, that you whose name baptism is a baptism. Whether you are a wash, dip, and sprinkling; is a Baptist, and dip three times: it was down, is facing up, is spiritual, is water, which are not matter; important thing is, you are Bong who is baptized in the name. If you are baptized in the name of the Lord enough. The meaning of a dip, that is, the name of the Lord Baptist suffered. If the person baptized is the name of the Lord, for they are our brethren. To the biblical point of view, baptism is right. But Paul is not here, pay attention to this. Paul's attention, but men whose name is baptized. If the person is baptized in the name of Christ, that is combined into one.

(G) a God

Do you believe do not believe in God? You believe God is not your father do? With what we believe is a God, and what we believe is a parent of the same. The God, the Father of all, above all on, and through all being, but also all the people living in within us. He is above us, among us, is in us. What we believe is God who have a personality? God is the transcendent? Is not this God is your Father? If what we believe is a God is not the case, we are not Christians. If we all believe this is the Father of all, there are personal transcendent God, for we have no reason to separate.

More than these seven, but the total of all the churches in the industry. But as we test on people, to see whether he is a Christian. We are also united as a Christian basis. Any Christian, regardless of when the people which is in that land, he meant to taste these seven people. Because we all are the reason there are these seven, we were ruthlessly links these seven together. But the Holy Spirit used these seven seven-strand ropes, all ancient and modern Chinese and foreign believers will be tightly tied together, will they join in a group can not be dissolved. In which the Holy Spirit to give us a spiritual unity, but also in the same seven-up indicates that this unity. We Christians do different things between, but those who can not are we, not separate us, because we like the same in the seven, with no way to cancel the similarities. But the unity of these seven sacred, forever. Spiritual, beyond everything. That we can make these seven Christians, and we also put on the seven different kind of people will never combined together. Can destroy the world, time can be in the past, these seven are forever, we combined the seven people to each other can never be separated.

More than another one if we are wrong to immediately be turned into a sectarian. If you said, people must believe in baptism, or believe to be mentioned in the pre-disaster, or believe in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, or believe that a holy truth, you only, and he has traffic, it is too much. God only allowed to the unity of the seven samples to test whether our brother. Our unity can not be outside of these seven conditions attached. As long as people have this kind of unity of seven, he naturally is the Church. We want to see one thing, all have this kind of unity of seven, is the Church. Seven people have this kind of one to the council, no matter what he is who he is our brother. He is not in the council, the council, is his own business, he has made of light, he will naturally see what is right and what is wrong. We are not no-one as a non-sectarian, as the conditions, but that kind of where the seven people who are our brothers, and we should strive toward their conservative one heart, to get where they are not sectarian. This is very critical.

Our unity is not based on the truth of the church, not based on sectarian out, standing aloof on the status, but whether people like the seven sacred unity is based. In other words, is to see them in the seven samples as we are not the same as last. If the person on the seven samples, like us, regardless of other things to be different, like he always is our brother. (From the work of Rethinking Chapter)

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-03-2011, 10:11 PM

I'm reading the same message in my copy of Nee's "The Normal Christian Church Life". On page 74 of my copy, the second paragraph, Nee shares that:

"If in any given place anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church in that place; there is no further step neccessary in order to make him a constituent. No subsequent joining is required of him. Provided he belongs to the Lord, he already belongs to the church in that locality; and since he already belongs to the church, his belonging cannot be made subject to any condition. If, before recognizing a believer as a member of the church, we insist that he join us, or that he resign his connection elsewhere, then "our church" is decidedly not one of the churches of God."

Amen to that!

It is entirely a wonder and a shame that this Truth is neither recognized nor practiced by the organization that seeks to claim Nee as one of their own. I do believe, honestly, that were Nee alive today, he would be called an "Opposer".

Suannehill · 02-04-2011, 02:46 PM

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AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ZNPaaneah · 02-04-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NeitherFirstnorLast

I'm reading the same message in my copy of Nee's "The Normal Christian Church Life". On page 74 of my copy, the second paragraph, Nee shares that:

"If in any given place anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church in that place; there is no further step neccessary in order to make him a constituent. No subsequent joining is required of him. Provided he belongs to the Lord, he already belongs to the church in that locality; and since he already belongs to the church, his belonging cannot be made subject to any condition. If, before recognizing a believer as a member of the church, we insist that he join us, or that he resign his connection elsewhere, then "our church" is decidedly not one of the churches of God."

Amen to that!

It is entirely a wonder and a shame that this Truth is neither recognized nor practiced by the organization that seeks to claim Nee as one of their own. I do believe, honestly, that were Nee alive today, he would be called an "Opposer".

Nice quote. Many of us came into the LRC with this understanding, and have watched it morph as men have tried to establish a kingdom for themselves and make merchandise of the saints.

OBW · 02-05-2011, 09:42 AM

From the Normal Christian Church Life

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"If in any given place anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church in that place; there is no further step necessary in order to make him a constituent. No subsequent joining is required of him. Provided he belongs to the Lord, he already belongs to the church in that locality; and since he already belongs to the church, his belonging cannot be made subject to any condition. If, before recognizing a believer as a member of the church, we insist that he join us, or that he resign his connection elsewhere, then "our church" is decidedly not one of the churches of God."

If you remove a little from the first sentence, you have "If ... anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church...." This is a true statement. Now Nee was really quite generous in his additions, but he still added something not required. He added "in any given place" and "in that place." But the statement is true without any place at all. Being a constituent of the church in the terms that he is using is not dependent on place, or even time.

For purposes of actually meeting together, there surely is a place. But two sentences later he more clearly says "in that locality" and further confines the discussion to the "ground of locality" that he has already created. He does say that we should not insist that any Christian "resign his connection elsewhere" or "join us." But what is missing from this paragraph is the part where he defines the "right way" that he is not going to insist upon. That is left to Lee who does insist upon it, even somewhat adding it to the basics of the faith. I know some have asked where that was, so I will try to find it again.

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-05-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OBW

later he more clearly says "in that locality" and further confines the discussion to the "ground of locality" that he has already created. He does say that we should not insist that any Christian "resign his connection elsewhere" or "join us." But what is missing from this paragraph is the part where he defines the "right way" that he is not going to insist upon. That is left to Lee who does insist upon it, even somewhat adding it to the basics of the faith. I know some have asked where that was, so I will try to find it again.

Nee's definition of a "local church" is not the definition Lee later gave it. The only thing Nee's "local church" and Lee's "Local Church" TM Have in common are the consonants and vowels in the two words.

I went on reading in the NCCL, consider:

"what is true of the universal church is also true of a local church. The universal Church comprises all those who have the oneness of the Spirit. The local church comprises all those who, in a given locality, have the oneness of the Spirit..."

"How are we going to determine who are our brothers and fellow members in the Church of God? Not by inquiring if they hold the same doctrinal views that we hold, or have had the same spiritual experiences; nor by seeing if their customs, manner of living, interests, and preferences tally with our. We merely inquire, are they indwelt by the Spirit of God or not? We cannot insist on oneness of opinions, or oneness of experience, or any other oneness..."

"Denominations are not scriptural, and we ought to have no part in them, BUT if we adopt an attitude of criticism and think "They are denominational; I am undenominational. They belong to sects, I belong to Christ alone" such differentiation is DEFINITELY Sectarian."

"... my fellowship is not merely with those who say, "I am of Christ", but with all who ARE of Christ.... Although these (other believers) say they are of Paul, of Cephas, and of Apollos, yet in FACT they are of Christ. I do not so much mind what they say, but I very much mind what they are.... they are my brethren."

"Our fellowship must with all the believers in a locality, not merely with all the 'un'sectarian believers in that locality. They may make denonminational differences, but we must not make undenominational requirements."

Last weekend I took my family to "Breakforth Canada" in Edmonton, where 15,000 Christians came for a missions conference. Do you know what I saw there? The most real and true expression of the Church Life as Nee foresaw it - a meeting together, a blending, of believers who hold only this in common: The Spirit of God indwelling them!

Praise the Lord! HE is doing the Recovery.... He is doing the building!

NeitherFirstnorLast

ZNPaaneah · 02-05-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NeitherFirstnorLast

Nee's definition of a "local church" is not the definition Lee later gave it. The only thing Nee's "local church" and Lee's "Local Church" TM Have in common are the consonants and vowels in the two words.

I went on reading in the NCCL, consider:

"what is true of the universal church is also true of a local church. The universal Church comprises all those who have the oneness of the Spirit. The local church comprises all those who, in a given locality, have the oneness of the Spirit..."

Good point. Thanks.

"How are we going to determine who are our brothers and fellow members in the Church of God? Not by inquiring if they hold the same doctrinal views that we hold, or have had the same spiritual experiences; nor by seeing if their customs, manner of living, interests, and preferences tally with our. We merely inquire, are they indwelt by the Spirit of God or not? We cannot insist on oneness of opinions, or oneness of experience, or any other oneness..."

Great point, especially for these forums. We don't all agree, we don't have the same experiences, or opinions, but we still can and should be one.

"Denominations are not scriptural, and we ought to have no part in them, BUT if we adopt an attitude of criticism and think "They are denominational; I am undenominational. They belong to sects, I belong to Christ alone" such differentiation is DEFINITELY Sectarian."

Wow, many of us including TC are saying this about the LRC. Thanks.

"... my fellowship is not merely with those who say, "I am of Christ", but with all who ARE of Christ.... Although these (other believers) say they are of Paul, of Cephas, and of Apollos, yet in FACT they are of Christ. I do not so much mind what they say, but I very much mind what they are.... they are my brethren."

"Our fellowship must with all the believers in a locality, not merely with all the 'un'sectarian believers in that locality. They may make denonminational differences, but we must not make undenominational requirements."

Great point, one of the big issues with the LRC is that they have cut themselves off from other Christians.

Last weekend I took my family to "Breakforth Canada" in Edmonton, where 15,000 Christians came for a missions conference. Do you know what I saw there? The most real and true expression of the Church Life as Nee foresaw it - a meeting together, a blending, of believers who hold only this in common: The Spirit of God indwelling them!

Don't forget the prophesy, the church in Philadelphia will be here at the Lord's return. The fact that the LRC has become Laodicea through their pride does not negate this prophesy, on the contrary it helps confirm it.

Praise the Lord! HE is doing the Recovery.... He is doing the building!

NeitherFirstnorLast

Thank you for this word.

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-05-2011, 06:19 PM

Quote: "Don't forget the prophesy, the church in Philadelphia will be here at the Lord's return. The fact that the LRC has become Laodicea through their pride does not negate this prophesy, on the contrary it helps confirm it."

Amen. So it does. Even so Lord Jesus, the Spirit and the Bride say "Come!"

OBW · 02-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NeitherFirstnorLast

Nee's definition of a "local church" is not the definition Lee later gave it. The only thing Nee's "local church" and Lee's "Local Church" TM Have in common are the consonants and vowels in the two words.

I will concede that Nee's definition is not entirely the same. But it is more the same than you seem to see. You quoted some of Nee's words that evidence it to me.

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Originally Posted by NeitherFirstnorLast

"Denominations are not scriptural, and we ought to have no part in them, BUT if we adopt an attitude of criticism and think "They are denominational; I am undenominational. They belong to sects, I belong to Christ alone" such differentiation is DEFINITELY Sectarian."

The only sense in which denominations are not scriptural is that they are not spoken of in scripture. But neither is the internet. The real problem is not in the banding together, but in the dividing. And Nee does rightly say that when I speak to point out the differences, then I am the one making separation.

But when Nee said that denominations are not scriptural, he meant that they are simply incorrect. He is only one step removed from the ones he chastises. How do you claim to not point out who is and is not denominational yet say that being denominational is against scripture. To step back and then say that you should not care about it is a kind of false humility that masks a position. Nee's position is one thing. He just doesn't fight you about it.

In the same way, he believes that any meeting who are not open to any Christian in any way are being divisive. And his own group would seem to be a model of this. But what if some come among the Little Flock that hold to infant baptism? Who would not remain silent about it? Who even push it? There eventually will be a position taken by the group to either silence them or send them on their way.

And that is the way it should be. But because of that, even the Little Flock is sectarian. It does hold to certain doctrines. But it speaks as if it does not and that others are incorrect for doing so.

That is the problem.

And you are correct to point out that Lee makes a much bigger deal about it all. But the underlying definitions are the same.

ZNPaaneah · 02-06-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

I will concede that Nee's definition is not entirely the same. But it is more the same than you seem to see. You quoted some of Nee's words that evidence it to me.
The only sense in which denominations are not scriptural is that they are not spoken of in scripture.

3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal

I think 1 Cor 3:3-4 is speaking of denominations. You might not think so, still to say that there is no discussion of denominations in Scripture is certainly not an agreed on point.

But neither is the internet.

I disagree. Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

This prophecy of the end of the age says that communication around the world will be at the speed of light, this includes all telecommunications. Then in Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

By definition an image that speaks is a "talking picture". The fact that this image can determine who is worshipping and who isn't suggest that it has an intelligence similar to a computer. For John to describe this as "having life" is also an apt description of an internet TV. Internet TV's have just started being sold. I don't think anyone can unequivocally say that this prophecy does not refer to something similar to an internet TV. So even if you don't think it does refer to the internet, to patently say that it doesn't is again a matter of dispute. Finally some consider "the Beast" to be a supercomputer. Again, I think it is an interpretation that has merit and cannot be unequivocally rejected. To say that a "smart phone" or a "smart TV" is an image of a supercomputer that has both life and intellect is probably the best way to describe the current technology to people 2,000 years ago.

The real problem is not in the banding together, but in the dividing. And Nee does rightly say that when I speak to point out the differences, then I am the one making separation.

But when Nee said that denominations are not scriptural, he meant that they are simply incorrect. He is only one step removed from the ones he chastises. How do you claim to not point out who is and is not denominational yet say that being denominational is against scripture. To step back and then say that you should not care about it is a kind of false humility that masks a position. Nee's position is one thing. He just doesn't fight you about it.

This is a good question and there is certainly one possible answer. Consider Matthew 7:1-6. Verse 1 says judge not lest ye be judged. Then he talks about taking the beam out of your own eye before removing the splinter from your brother's eye. And then we have verse 6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and rend you." Now I feel that the words "dogs" and "swine" do not actually refer to animals you would see on a farm, but rather to people. That of course is my understanding, and you are free to disagree. But once you consider that Jesus was referring to people how could I discern who a "dog" or a "pig" was without judging? So Matt 7 creates the same conundrum that you have with WN. But the answer is very simple. Jesus never said "do not judge anyone". He said "Judge not, lest you be judged". This prohibits me from judging others but I am still free to judge myself. So I am free to judge myself if I am sectarian or divisive, but with others I should be general. And no, I don't think that is false humility.

In the same way, he believes that any meeting who are not open to any Christian in any way are being divisive. And his own group would seem to be a model of this. But what if some come among the Little Flock that hold to infant baptism? Who would not remain silent about it? Who even push it? There eventually will be a position taken by the group to either silence them or send them on their way.

And that is the way it should be. But because of that, even the Little Flock is sectarian. It does hold to certain doctrines. But it speaks as if it does not and that others are incorrect for doing so.

That is the problem.

And you are correct to point out that Lee makes a much bigger deal about it all. But the underlying definitions are the same.

Regardless of what is what, we still need to gather together and meet with one another. It is not possible that all Christians will meet together so as you have said we are forced to break up into groups. For WN, the leader of one group, to talk in this way to me is reasonable. You see it as judgement on others, I see it as laying out the path that he is going to take. Towards others we need to be very general, but towards ourselves we have to guard against being sectarian.

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-06-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

But what if some come among the Little Flock that hold to infant baptism? Who would not remain silent about it? Who even push it? There eventually will be a position taken by the group to either silence them or send them on their way.

Actually Brother, Nee addresses a similar issue on page 90 of this book

NCCL pg 90 "Romans 14 shows us how to deal with those whose views differ from ours. What would we do if in our church there were vegetarians and Sabattarians? Why, we should consider it almost intolerable if in the same church some of the believers kept the Lord's Day and others the Sabbath, and some of the believers at meat freely, while others were strict vegetarians. That was exactly the situation Paul was facing. Let us note his conclusions. "Now him who is weak in faith receive, but not for the purpose of passing judgements on his considerations." ... "Who are you who judge another's household servant? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will be made to stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand" ... "Therefore let us judge one another no longer, but rather judge this: not to put a stumbling block or cause of falling before your brother."

It is only my opinion from what I have read and experienced in Nee's writing, but I do honestly believe that when Lee told us that he was Nee's co-worker, that he was Nee's chosen successor, that he outright lied. For one, I don't believe Nee ever would have chosen a successor. In fact, and I can't find the quote now, but I recall Nee writing something to the effect that "The Lord chooses his apostles and prophets from obscurity, and does not usually choose successors (and I think Elijah and Elisha was the exception he then referred to) - but otherwise he gave examples of all these people greatly used of God that came from nowhere.

Did Lee know Nee? I certainly believe he did. Did he follow in his footsteps? I don't see any evidence of that. This is what baffles me the most: LSM publishes Nee's books - and Nee's books seem to damn everything that LSM has become - I mean, Nee sheds more light on the corrupt condition of LSM than any of the so-called Opposers have... and yet so many members of LSM don't seem to see it - or if they do, they remain silent on the matter.

I have brought this up to many of the brothers and sisters I fellowshipped with now, and NONE of them have answered me. Oh, I have received some emails that say "Brother, I don't see it that way." But that's the end of the argument. There is no "Brother, I think you missed this..." or "missed that..." or "consider this..." All I get is dead silence or one sentence "I don't think so's". Not a single ministry quote and certainly no scripture quotes.

I don't know how much of Nee you have read brother, perhaps a lot more than I and perhaps that's why you see things differently - but I just really want to encourage all of the Saints to consider Nee apart from Lee. I have always heard those in the LSM church say that "Nee thought the World of Lee", or "Nee always prayed for and praised Lee", or "Lee stood on Nee's shoulders"... but those are things Lee said. I haven't found a quote yet where Nee actually said those things. Have I missed them (and I mean that question honestly, is there something I've missed?)

Also, there is a line in the preface of the Normal Christian Church Life that seems out of place. It doesn't read like something Nee would have said, based on what is in the book and what I've read in his other work. It sounds like Lee, a lot like Lee... so if there are earlier copies of this book available somewhere, I'd really like to check that. This is what is in the last line of the Preface:

"One of the prayers I have offered in connection with this book is that the Lord should keep it from those who oppose and would use it as a chart for attack, and also from those who agree and would use it as a manual for service. I dread the latter far mroe than the former."

It seems an odd thing for Nee to have written this, in April of 1939. Who would have opposed? By his own pen, he talks of receiving all other believers... who would he have feared opposing him? He wasn't a "temple builder", like Lee was.... Or am I wrong?

In Christ,

Ray

ZNPaaneah · 02-05-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OBW

From the Normal Christian Church Life
If you remove a little from the first sentence, you have "If ... anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church...." This is a true statement. Now Nee was really quite generous in his additions, but he still added something not required. He added "in any given place" and "in that place." But the statement is true without any place at all. Being a constituent of the church in the terms that he is using is not dependent on place, or even time.

For purposes of actually meeting together, there surely is a place. But two sentences later he more clearly says "in that locality" and further confines the discussion to the "ground of locality" that he has already created. He does say that we should not insist that any Christian "resign his connection elsewhere" or "join us." But what is missing from this paragraph is the part where he defines the "right way" that he is not going to insist upon. That is left to Lee who does insist upon it, even somewhat adding it to the basics of the faith. I know some have asked where that was, so I will try to find it again.

When Nee was speaking the teaching in the greater part of Christianity was that all believers are members of the "spiritual church" and that we are all one in the spiritual church. In this book Nee makes it clear that he thinks we need a more practical oneness. For example, if I only meet with people who agree with me I will never be challenged. But, if I fellowship with OBW he will challenge me, and we will be forced to dig deeper. Can we still be one even though we disagree? In my experience it is brothers and fellowship like this that causes me to stretch forward. Also, there are verses, such as wherever two or three meet together in my name -- clearly this verse is talking about a particular place and a particular time. We can discuss the church in terms of eternity, and we can also discuss it in terms of time and place.

TLFisher · 02-05-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Can we still be one even though we disagree?

Amen brother! Yes we can! Following is a New Testament example in John and Simon Peter.

Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays You?" So Peter seeing him said to Jesus, "Lord, and what about this man ?" John 21:20-21

Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer. And a man who had been lame from his mother's womb was being carried along, whom they used to set down every day at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, in order to beg alms of those who were entering the temple. When he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he began asking to receive alms. Acts 3:1-3

These verses in Acts gives an example of two brothers who couldn't be anymore different, going up to the temple together.

NeitherFirstnorLast · 02-05-2011, 06:17 PM

Saints, I just need to share this too as I read it:

NCCL Page 90 "To have constant and close association with people whose interpretation of Scripture does not tally with ours, is hard for the flesh, but good for the spirit."

"Oh, for Christian tolerance! Oh, for largeness of heart! Alas! that many of God's children are so zealous for their pet doctrines that they immediately label as heretics, and treat accordingly, all whose interpretation of Scripture differs from theirs. God would have us walk in love toward all who hold views contrary to those views that are dear to us."

"(You cannot have) division based upon doctrine. My teaching my be right or it may be wrong, but if I make it a cause of division, then I am guilty of the heresy spoken of here (Galatian 5:20)."

I am guilty too, saints, of wanting very much to soothe my flesh and walk away from the brothers and sisters whom I've come to know because they hold views (specifically regarding the teachings of Lee), that I cannot hold anymore.... but it is good for the spirit, to continue to speak to them the Truth in love - for they too are indwelt by Him. We are called to be light, and salt... not just to the World but to our fellow members of the Body of Christ.

NCCL page 87 "...we must maintain an attitude of inclusiveness, not exclusiveness, towards those believers who are in different sects, for they, as we, are children of God... therefore, they belong to the same church as we do."

02-02-2011, 09:51 PM	#1
TLFisher Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Renton, Washington Posts: 3,545	Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ This post is from an email I received from a brother in Malaysia. It's Watchman Nee's message accepting and receiving fellow believers in Christ. The email was in Chinese and used Google for translation. Please bear. We know the difference between believers and the world to care about have not accepted Christ, does not have the Holy Spirit. People who have the Holy Spirit, is an almost God; does not have the Holy Spirit who, even the Lord is gone. We also know that all listen to the Gospel be saved, had the Spirit, not after the second step of the procedure to the church in the natural elements. If you are living in one place, just naturally is that the molecules of a local church; if it is scattered in various places to have natural elements is that the church universal. Although the number is at best, as long as a true Christian, and everyone naturally into one of the. 』『 One is under the divine, that every believer in common Reason why the number of the children of God, there are many, scattered in many different places, also live in many different time, but they are before God is still a church? How is able to graft in a fixed place, there are many believers, but they are still in that one place is a church? Why they are one of it? How do so many Christians do one? These different backgrounds, different races, different nationalities, different education, different social, experience different people together, how can one then ask them? Christian unity is not artificial, not everyone, after discussions, we support the need to unity, so one. Christian unity, is due to the time when people believe in Christ, God the next one 』『 placed in our hearts. 』『 This one is every believer, it is almost common to the Lord's people. Because the children of God, each had this in a mystery 』『 sake of unity, so they can unity. 『This one, termed as the Bible』『』 unity of the Holy Spirit (Eph. IV 3). 』『 Unity of the Holy Spirit which is shared by Christians of the Holy Spirit The unity of the Holy Spirit this 『』 which is common to every Christian the Holy Spirit. This is one of us living in the heart of the Holy Spirit, but one Spirit. So He will call every people who live there with him, have another one as his own kind of unity. God is through them that were out from the world, and God called them to each other because of this one. Believers and the world so different from that in this; faithful to each other so the same is here. To know whether the person belong to Christ, is to look at this one; unity among Christians, but also through this one. Christ in the Holy Spirit, that we and the world is different also makes us believers to each other the same. So is a Christian organization, we therefore can not be separated, not because of any reason why they separate (except for local reasons,) is because there are to each other that we did the same. If anyone does not this one, we can not count him as brothers, but he was an outside person. But if he has this one, he is the people inside; we have are one people, we will not be any reason to separate. All have the Holy Spirit, such a person is, is impossible to separate out. We are fundamentally, life, the mind has been into one of the. Therefore, Paul said, See, I urge you prisoner, since called, walk in a manner to when the ex called commensurate with; humble and gentle, patient, bearing with one another in love, with peace with each other every effort to keep 』unity of the Holy Spirit (Eph d 1 to 3). We should note that Paul is not to say to one another in unity, but said he should be a conservative one. We can not keep the things we do not have; we can only conservative in what we have. He advised us to a conservative one, because we already have this one, now we shall keep it. Lord did not ask us to unity with other believers, the Lord did not ask us to create a one to, but the Lord told us to keep us in the Lord of the existing one, is that we have been brought by the Holy Spirit with the. When we believe the Lord, we have received the unity of the. We were by the Holy Spirit and the world, but also because of the Holy Spirit inside each other into one of the. And we do not have to create a unity between believers, we have to understand that to see, to acknowledge that we received the Holy Spirit is the believer in the unity of the. Can not create a unity, but it can destroy the function of this one We can not create a unity, because we have unity in Christ through the Holy Spirit has. However, we are able to destroy this unity of function, call it God's children can not be revealed. Therefore, we obtained the order, is a conservative should be tried. Poor, how much, we not only does not conservative, they undermine, not to mention trying out. So, who are our brothers? We do not see their views about the Bible and our common or not, they focus on the same spiritual experience with us or not, their habits, customs, habits, life, interests, and we are the same or not. But all are blood bought, for the children of God, the Holy Spirit lives in him who is our brother. We can not expect the unity of the body, the unity of opinion, or the other one, we can only see the unity of the Holy Spirit. Have the unity that the people in the Lord. And I live with a people who have this one, that is, and I with the Church. We were separated, not only because of the unity and separation; and human joint, can only have this one because of the joint. How much, when you travel, the train, in the ships, and you meet a quiet, godly man. Then talk, you know he is a owner who is redeemed by the blood, is one of your brothers. Although you have no previous acquaintance with him, but you have hit it off, and feeling what a joy. At that time, your heart is full of unknowingly to his love. This is because you and the unity of the Holy Spirit he has 『. 』Feeling in your heart, that is, the role of the unity of the Holy Spirit. Which when the power of this one which really transcends race, nationality, social difference, and that you complete one in the Spirit. But when you talk about Bible truth, perhaps in the prophecy to see the explanation, and you very different. You love his heart to leak out. You see it? You are now standing in another status, where are you going to find one, but not conservative, not conservative This is a trying one of the Holy Spirit, so the results you might want to broke up. Today, children of God, respectively, because this is not a conservative one. Seven things prove that the unity of the Holy Spirit revealed How do we know people have this one it? If this were the unity of the Holy Spirit, in appearance, enough to see what can we do? How can we know he is a brother? So, Paul tells us below, one person who has the Holy Spirit, he must be with us on the other seven things the same. We can not hope for him and us, and everything the same pieces, but we hope he was able to have seven things, and it is we are the same. This seven things that prove that a person has a unity of the Holy Spirit. This is obvious because seven of the Holy Spirit one of the reason that we should be every effort to keep the seven, focusing on the seven pieces. While the rest of the matter is critical, but only seven can be concluded that the traffic we Christians. Therefore, we request people to be limited to the seven. 『Only one body, the Holy Spirit is only one, as you were called in one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God, the Father of all, beyond all the above, and through all being, but also to live within us all (Eph d 4 to 6, the original). Here, seven 『a』, is the unity of the Holy Spirit and relevant. Each letter of Christ, is inside the church, we can call him brother, and we have transportation, are due to the unity of the Holy Spirit, in this seven things on the same. The seven 『a』 is shared by every Christian. Do not need one more, one less is not OK. The seven identical, and the people of our transport requirements. Not more than that, can not less than this. Because more than this, to be tempted to shut out some of his brother; less than this, should not the brother inevitably mixed in there. If we are to every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit, we must pay attention to these seven pieces, not the seven other children with God on any problems. (A) one body and one We can not and human unity, the first question is what he is not part of the body of Christ. We and the scope of human unity is the body of Christ. Not there, of course, and we have nothing to do in the. Where in there, are, and we have traffic. We can not have chosen the body of Christ traffic. What is Christ's body? The body of Christ, that is, partake of Christ. The body of Christ, there is a better characterization is that Sunday night a cake. You broke it broke it, finished, but brothers and sisters in every pie belly, and if together, it is still a piece of cake. This is the body of Christ. Body of Christ, is that each person has the life of Christ together as a success. You have a little life of Christ, I have a life of Christ, these life together, is the whole of Christ. Each of us is part of the body of Christ. Therefore, to accept a person, regardless of his background, regardless of how his class, no matter how the truth, what matters is to ask if he has points in the body of Christ? If he has inside Christ, he is our brother. If for various reasons, we want to reject a man for his brother; we dare say that he is not a physical body of Christ? If he is, anyway, (in addition to the grounds outside the Bible), we have to accept him. We can not accept these limbs, and refused it a few limbs. We are the same but within a body, there is no separation possible. If both we and his body, we have reason to reject him. If we can not are meant he was not the same members of the body, for we must keep, and his unity. Everyone, we asked him, if it was part of the body of Christ is our brother, In addition to no more requirements. (B) there is a Holy Spirit A Christian, not only he has a point inside the life of Christ, and he believed the Lord, but also the Holy Spirit living in him. I have the spirit of my son, but he also had a son, spirit. Perhaps his interest and I am not the same, perhaps he acts the same way and I do not, however, as long as the Holy Spirit inside the same Holy Spirit inside me just fine. He receives the Holy Spirit is not it? I can not say that the Holy Spirit within him it? I dare say he is affected by the evil it? Perhaps the Holy Spirit when he when he was outside of the table, a little magic, what you dislike. Perhaps you are opposed to such Pentecostal usually the case. However, only one Holy Spirit. The Bible is not to say, is no movement of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not hot events. The Bible is not explicit as to whether a table outside the standards of the Holy Spirit? To whether the Bible is that Jesus is Lord 『』 (Cor-second 3), as a test whether the Holy Spirit. So, in you, tell you that Jesus is the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord; the spirit in him has told him that if Jesus is Lord, he is also the Holy Spirit. If he received the Holy Spirit, your income is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is only one, all with a body in the Lord, but there is no separation possible. (C) only one called hope This is not to say that all hope is the same. There is only one point is called by the same hope, as Christians books have the same hope. We look forward to what is it? Is hope in the glory of Christ forever. No one who is not the Master and the hope of glory, almost no one is looking forward to the Lord who is not looking forward to days. Called because of there is always a hope of glory. People who do not have a Christian, never mind the glory go to. Such a person, the decision does not belong to the Lord. Our future in heaven is to live together forever, and we did not separate on the ground today may be. We have the same future, when we have the same distance. (D) a primary Only one Lord, Jesus. We recognize Jesus of Nazareth, God has made Him both Lord and Christ, so we have to serve Him. Their Lord, our Lord. Each other, the acknowledged master of the serve is one, so we could not separate. (E) a letter Here's the letter, the letter of faith. This is a letter 『』 people do not mean the truth of the Bible have the same letter of the Law said. The Bible is no such requirement. One letter refers to the Christian faith of the public said. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, believers to die is to save sinners, to play the sins of sinners? If no such confidence, he does not belong to Christ's. If there is confidence that the person who belong to Christ. All God's children in the interpretation of the truth can have many different views, but the fundamental beliefs but for the same. Do not have faith that people have nothing to do with us; have this faith to our brethren have. We can not expect less than this, less than a Christian would be to mix in it. We can not expect more than this, more will be the true Christians off outside. (F) a dip Was baptized in it? Is watering it? Is the dip for a while? Is immersed three times it? Water when the surface is facing up it? Or, bending it? Baptist plenty of style, as if it were point to really make a lot of Christians are separated from the outside. The dip here is what does that mean? Paul said, 『Christ divided? Paul crucified for you it? You are the instructions from Paul baptized in the name of it? 』(13 Cor.) From this view, the meaning of a dip, that you whose name baptism is a baptism. Whether you are a wash, dip, and sprinkling; is a Baptist, and dip three times: it was down, is facing up, is spiritual, is water, which are not matter; important thing is, you are Bong who is baptized in the name. If you are baptized in the name of the Lord enough. The meaning of a dip, that is, the name of the Lord Baptist suffered. If the person baptized is the name of the Lord, for they are our brethren. To the biblical point of view, baptism is right. But Paul is not here, pay attention to this. Paul's attention, but men whose name is baptized. If the person is baptized in the name of Christ, that is combined into one. (G) a God Do you believe do not believe in God? You believe God is not your father do? With what we believe is a God, and what we believe is a parent of the same. The God, the Father of all, above all on, and through all being, but also all the people living in within us. He is above us, among us, is in us. What we believe is God who have a personality? God is the transcendent? Is not this God is your Father? If what we believe is a God is not the case, we are not Christians. If we all believe this is the Father of all, there are personal transcendent God, for we have no reason to separate. More than these seven, but the total of all the churches in the industry. But as we test on people, to see whether he is a Christian. We are also united as a Christian basis. Any Christian, regardless of when the people which is in that land, he meant to taste these seven people. Because we all are the reason there are these seven, we were ruthlessly links these seven together. But the Holy Spirit used these seven seven-strand ropes, all ancient and modern Chinese and foreign believers will be tightly tied together, will they join in a group can not be dissolved. In which the Holy Spirit to give us a spiritual unity, but also in the same seven-up indicates that this unity. We Christians do different things between, but those who can not are we, not separate us, because we like the same in the seven, with no way to cancel the similarities. But the unity of these seven sacred, forever. Spiritual, beyond everything. That we can make these seven Christians, and we also put on the seven different kind of people will never combined together. Can destroy the world, time can be in the past, these seven are forever, we combined the seven people to each other can never be separated. More than another one if we are wrong to immediately be turned into a sectarian. If you said, people must believe in baptism, or believe to be mentioned in the pre-disaster, or believe in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, or believe that a holy truth, you only, and he has traffic, it is too much. God only allowed to the unity of the seven samples to test whether our brother. Our unity can not be outside of these seven conditions attached. As long as people have this kind of unity of seven, he naturally is the Church. We want to see one thing, all have this kind of unity of seven, is the Church. Seven people have this kind of one to the council, no matter what he is who he is our brother. He is not in the council, the council, is his own business, he has made of light, he will naturally see what is right and what is wrong. We are not no-one as a non-sectarian, as the conditions, but that kind of where the seven people who are our brothers, and we should strive toward their conservative one heart, to get where they are not sectarian. This is very critical. Our unity is not based on the truth of the church, not based on sectarian out, standing aloof on the status, but whether people like the seven sacred unity is based. In other words, is to see them in the seven samples as we are not the same as last. If the person on the seven samples, like us, regardless of other things to be different, like he always is our brother. (From the work of Rethinking Chapter)

02-03-2011, 10:11 PM	#2
NeitherFirstnorLast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 348	Re: Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ I'm reading the same message in my copy of Nee's "The Normal Christian Church Life". On page 74 of my copy, the second paragraph, Nee shares that: "If in any given place anyone believes on the Lord, as a matter of course he is a constituent of the church in that place; there is no further step neccessary in order to make him a constituent. No subsequent joining is required of him. Provided he belongs to the Lord, he already belongs to the church in that locality; and since he already belongs to the church, his belonging cannot be made subject to any condition. If, before recognizing a believer as a member of the church, we insist that he join us, or that he resign his connection elsewhere, then "our church" is decidedly not one of the churches of God." Amen to that! It is entirely a wonder and a shame that this Truth is neither recognized nor practiced by the organization that seeks to claim Nee as one of their own. I do believe, honestly, that were Nee alive today, he would be called an "Opposer".

02-04-2011, 02:46 PM	#3
Suannehill Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North of Mansfield Ohio Posts: 165	Re: Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ [QUOTE= I do believe, honestly, that were Nee alive today, he would be called an "Opposer".[/QUOTE] AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ http://godswordtowomen.org/Lesson%201.htm

02-05-2011, 06:19 PM	#8
NeitherFirstnorLast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 348	Re: Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ Quote: "Don't forget the prophesy, the church in Philadelphia will be here at the Lord's return. The fact that the LRC has become Laodicea through their pride does not negate this prophesy, on the contrary it helps confirm it." Amen. So it does. Even so Lord Jesus, the Spirit and the Bride say "Come!"

02-05-2011, 06:17 PM	#14
NeitherFirstnorLast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 348	Re: Accepting and Receiving Believers in Christ Saints, I just need to share this too as I read it: NCCL Page 90 "To have constant and close association with people whose interpretation of Scripture does not tally with ours, is hard for the flesh, but good for the spirit." "Oh, for Christian tolerance! Oh, for largeness of heart! Alas! that many of God's children are so zealous for their pet doctrines that they immediately label as heretics, and treat accordingly, all whose interpretation of Scripture differs from theirs. God would have us walk in love toward all who hold views contrary to those views that are dear to us." "(You cannot have) division based upon doctrine. My teaching my be right or it may be wrong, but if I make it a cause of division, then I am guilty of the heresy spoken of here (Galatian 5:20)." I am guilty too, saints, of wanting very much to soothe my flesh and walk away from the brothers and sisters whom I've come to know because they hold views (specifically regarding the teachings of Lee), that I cannot hold anymore.... but it is good for the spirit, to continue to speak to them the Truth in love - for they too are indwelt by Him. We are called to be light, and salt... not just to the World but to our fellow members of the Body of Christ. NCCL page 87 "...we must maintain an attitude of inclusiveness, not exclusiveness, towards those believers who are in different sects, for they, as we, are children of God... therefore, they belong to the same church as we do."