Scripture

[Scribe]

In RECONSIDER RECENT THREADS thread, we are dicussing what is scripture. Probably so that all who are interested can follow and any future ones can find it, we need to begin a thread called "SCRIPTURE". Any that come to this discussion now, or later, should refer to the above meantioned thread to see some of the previou postings. Also this is being dealt with in my blog called "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST-SCRIBE".

I was challenged concerning scripture. I invoked Galations 3:8....the SCRIPTURE announced the glad tidings to Abraham. We agreed that this does not refer to our Bible, for it was not yet written. I reject that there is another book like the koran or book of mormon or any other, that Abraham read. Nevertheless, the scripture announced the glad tidings to Abraham. Paul tells us as he wrote. I declare that the scripture is the Word coming to man and finding faith. When the Word and faith join in man, man writes and that writing is scripture. This is the holy faith of the saints. The Word came to Abraham and found faith, as Abraham wrote, he was led step by step. So it is today with the seed of Abraham. This is why Revelation chapter one comes to focus on what is in the right hand of the son of man.

Scribe

[Scribe]

1 Chronilces 28:19 All this [said David,] in writing, by Jehovah's hand upon me, instructing as to all the works of the pattern.

Ponder David's boldness. The Lord had given Moses the pattern of the tabernacle he built. The pattern Moses wrote was with David. The Tabernacle that David built was still in function in another place in the land. But David was bold to lay out the pattern of another house for the Lord in another place. From where and how did he get this boldness? The Bible tells us. The hand of the Lord was upon David as he wrote. In that writing David was made to understand. As David wrote the pattern was made known to him. This is scripture and this is anointing and this is faith in the living Word.

Scribe

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Scribe

I was challenged concerning scripture. I invoked Galations 3:8....the SCRIPTURE announced the glad tidings to Abraham. We agreed that this does not refer to our Bible, for it was not yet written. I reject that there is another book like the koran or book of mormon or any other, that Abraham read. Nevertheless, the scripture announced the glad tidings to Abraham. Paul tells us as he wrote. I declare that the scripture is the Word coming to man and finding faith. When the Word and faith join in man, man writes and that writing is scripture. This is the holy faith of the saints. The Word came to Abraham and found faith, as Abraham wrote, he was led step by step. So it is today with the seed of Abraham.

You have never addressed my concern, or rather disagreement, that Galatians 3:8 says that "scripture" announced glad tidings to Abraham. That is unless you are simply saying that "scripture," meaning God, who is the Word of God, spoke to Abraham. There is no record of written words being given to, or being written by Abraham. And Galatians 3:8 does not say that scripture spoke to Abraham. It says that scripture foresaw justification by faith by recording that God spoke those specific words to Abraham. But the recording was not at the time that God spoke to Abraham. It was generations later when Moses wrote it.

I believe that you are confusing the telling of Abraham with the recording of that telling in the book of Genesis which was not written at the time of Abraham.

You have essentially ignored what I have said and just turned back to your claim that there was a writing that Abraham read and/or wrote. And you have given no basis for any assertion that there was any kind of writing at the time of Abraham rather than only at the time that Genesis was put to writing.

Originally Posted by Scribe

This is why Revelation chapter one comes to focus on what is in the right hand of the son of man.

What does this mean? What is the relevance?

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by OBW

You have never addressed my concern, or rather disagreement, that Galatians 3:8 says that "scripture" announced glad tidings to Abraham. That is unless you are simply saying that "scripture," meaning God, who is the Word of God, spoke to Abraham. There is no record of written words being given to, or being written by Abraham. And Galatians 3:8 does not say that scripture spoke to Abraham. It says that scripture foresaw justification by faith by recording that God spoke those specific words to Abraham. But the recording was not at the time that God spoke to Abraham. It was generations later when Moses wrote it.

I believe that you are confusing the telling of Abraham with the recording of that telling in the book of Genesis which was not written at the time of Abraham.

You have essentially ignored what I have said and just turned back to your claim that there was a writing that Abraham read and/or wrote. And you have given no basis for any assertion that there was any kind of writing at the time of Abraham rather than only at the time that Genesis was put to writing.

What does this mean? What is the relevance?

I continue to tell you the relevance. The question is how can you hear? Of course hearing is the crucial spot in the revelation. You have expressed what you believe. So now your question makes me think of where Moses was before he could stand before Pharoah. Moses had wandered forty years in the wilderness. He had married one of the priest of Midians seven daughters. He had shepherded his father in laws sheep to the back side of the wilderness, to the mount of God. But he didn't realize what he had in his hand. Moses had the staff of God, able to deliver His people in hand, but he didn't realize it. The Angel had to appear in the burning thornbush to reveal this to him. What do you have in your hand? This is the angels cry to the drawn out shepherd. We all must come to this same place Moses came to. The Angel must reveal the living Word in our hand. In the revelation the Angel does this not via a thornbush, but via seven golden lampstands. And ultimately in the sign the son of man takes the place of the angel as the revelation comes to the Israelite. As the angel had to reveal the hand of Jehovah upon Moses in the redemption of Israel of old. So today the church must bring the revelation to the Jews. The Issue here is not God speaking, but how He speaks. We know Moses wrote of Abraham later and we know Paul did even later. And now we do. But the way the Lord revealed Himself to Abraham was by placing His hand upon him. In this way He gave Abraham an oracle that instructed him daily. Paul shows that this same experience now comes to the gentiles as it did to Abraham when he was still a gentile.

Abraham wrote and the scripture spoke to him.

Scribe

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Scribe

Abraham wrote and the scripture spoke to him.

That is not a supportable statement. Where did you get this?

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by OBW

That is not a supportable statement. Where did you get this?

Again,Galations 3:8.
Do you say when Paul wrote this he didn't mean that the scripture spoke the glad tiding to Abraham?

The scripture annouced the glad tidings to Abraham.

Scribe

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Scribe

Again,Galations 3:8.
Do you say when Paul wrote this he didn't mean that the scripture spoke the glad tiding to Abraham?

That is exactly what I am saying. After reading the verse in both the NIV and in the interlinear, I conclude that Paul said that what was spoken to Abraham before there was scripture was recorded in scripture and foresaw justification by faith. The Greek words indicate that scripture foresaw justification by faith because before that God gave a message to Abraham. This last message (actually the first message) is not called scripture. That is your addition to what Paul said.