Calling all Saints

Scribe · 11-12-2010, 09:23 AM

What is a saint? Often I hear Words used in a way that is not the reality of that Word. Saints is one of those Words. The Roman Catholic church speaks it in a way of idolatry. One dies and then the Pope cantonizes you. Idolatry and nonsense. But those who have ever walked in a local church use the Word to mean fellow believer. This also is not the meaning. To be a believer and to be a saint are not the same thing. Surely I greet all the believers. Peace to you who have believed into the name of Jesus Christ. You believe Him and so do I. We are in HIm. To be a saint is more than this. I am always glad to find a fellow believer. But to find a saint is holy. This thread is the call to all saints. So what is a saint?

Scribe

Suannehill · 11-12-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scribe

What is a saint? Often I hear Words used in a way that is not the reality of that Word. Saints is one of those Words. The Roman Catholic church speaks it in a way of idolatry. One dies and then the Pope cantonizes you. Idolatry and nonsense. But those who have ever walked in a local church use the Word to mean fellow believer. This also is not the meaning. To be a believer and to be a saint are not the same thing. Surely I greet all the believers. Peace to you who have believed into the name of Jesus Christ. You believe Him and so do I. We are in HIm. To be a saint is more than this. I am always glad to find a fellow believer. But to find a saint is holy. This thread is the call to all saints. So what is a saint?

Scribe

I'm thinking you have something in mind...what do you say?

UntoHim · 11-12-2010, 07:18 PM

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...But those who have ever walked in a local church use the Word to mean fellow believer. This also is not the meaning. To be a believer and to be a saint are not the same thing. ..To be a saint is more than this. I am always glad to find a fellow believer. But to find a saint is holy. This thread is the call to all saints. So what is a saint?

Very intriguing Scribe! At first glance I must admit that I agreed with what you wrote. I thought, yes, "saint" does seem to indicate something further or higher then "believer" or "disciple". But, "upon further review" (as they say in the NFL) I think this is a wrong premise. I am more then willing to hear something further from you regarding this. As Suanne says, you seem to have something on your mind. Don't be a tease Scribe, hit us with both barrels! Your revelation is just as good as mine, providing you can back it up with some scripture of course.

One of the most positive things I have taken from my Local Church experience is the use of this term "saint" among the believers. Of course there is always the danger that any term that is used so often can become common, which would be kind of ironic considering the term "saint" denotes something uncommon, something special, something separated unto God. In my thinking, we are not called to be saints anymore then we are called to be a son or a daughter. We get those designations at birth, and in the case of being a saint we get it at our new birth. So to be a believer is to be a disciple, to be a disciple is to be a saint. You can change the order here and it won't hurt my feelings.

Frankly your idea of a "saint" being something more then a "believer" reminds me of the worst of what came from Nee and Lee, especially Lee. Other Christians use this term "saint", albeit sparingly, but few use it in the exclusive manner of the Local Church. When LCers say "I'm going to be with some saints", they invariably mean members of the Local Church of Witness Lee. How this can be viewed any different then some Lutherans saying the exact same thing (when they really mean some members of their local Lutheran fellowship) is beyond me. Maybe you can fill me in on the real difference.

Saints,

I found this to be pretty good:
http://www.gotquestions.org/saints-Christian.html

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Question: "What are Christian saints according to the Bible?"

Answer: The word saint comes from the Greek word "hagios" which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons … “(Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saint” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints; "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, Scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints…and at the same time are called to be saints. 1 Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly, “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the Biblical description and calling of the saints.
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Scribe · 11-13-2010, 09:51 AM

"To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, the called saints" Romans 1:7

Greetings to Suannehill and UntoHim. Thank you for your furtherance of our seeking to sanctify the Word: "saints". I do have something on my mind and I am not trying to tease. I seek fellowship in the revelation of being a saint.
Unto Him, thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Witness Lee spoke forth what he saw. He spoke and we spoke many things before the time that we could enter the reality had come. "Saints" is one of these. As the writer you posted below shows, the Word Saint is related to consecration. Consecration is another Word that we lacked revelation of ,though we spoke it often. Our mouth would say "O Lord, I consecrate myself to Christ and the church". But we never did! I spoke this boldly for years. I SPOKE that I consecrate my life, my family, my new borns, all to Christ. But I merely spoke it. The Word consecration doesn't mean to speak, it means "TO FILLTHE HANDS". To be consecrated is a matter of having our hands filled with the UNSPEAKABLE gift of the Word. Neither I nor my teachers knew this in those days. To be a saint requires consecration. The hands must be filled with the living Word.

The Word saint is from the same root as sanctify, sanctuary, sanction, holy. It means to be set apart as Holy. It means to be made holy. So we come to John 17:17-20.

"Sanctify them in the truth; Your Word is truth." Here we see that it is the Word that sanctifies us. We are made saints by the Words working in us. He comes to us through the writing of others (John in this case. Or Paul, or Luke, or UntoHim or Scribe etc.) and He cuts His way into our heart. And He works His way through our heart to branch into our hand. "As you have sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. For their sake I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth." That we may also be sanctified in the Word. The Word here is Logos! It is not the Rhema that can be spoken that sanctifies us. It is the Logos that cannot be spoken and must be written that does the work of making us to be saints. We see Jesus sanctifying Himself in John 8. When challenged and tempted to speak, he stoops to write. As He writes He is sanctifying Himself. This rolls back the veil on how a man walks in sanctification. Now at John 17 he opens the way for more saints. V20 "And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their Word"! Here we see that each of the saints has a Logos. They have a Word they write. That Word is Christ and is the teaching. UNSPEAKABLE GIFT.

Ponder brothers and sisters, the New Testament is a composition of letters written between the saints. Some letters were written corporately. Some to churches. Some to individuals. All are the Word. It was the daily life of the church that all write. The Bible bears witness to us now of a people whose God was the Word branching hand to hand. That Word has now passed through a long two millennial day baptism but now at the third day He arises. Many believe in Jesus, fewer except the discipline that makes disciples. But all disciples shall come through discipline to be reduced to the revelation of the sanctifying Word at hand and will be a holy scribe. He is in the world, but though they write they know Him not, but the saints know and handle Him daily. Faith and the Word mate at the hand of the saints.

Scribe

ZNPaaneah · 11-13-2010, 02:30 PM

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It is the Logos that cannot be spoken and must be written that does the work of making us to be saints.

I have had wonderful experiences of being sanctified through writing the word. But, I never felt that the word "must be written". In fact there are many charges in the Bible to speak the word, to preach the word, etc. Are there any charges to "write the word"? This is a teaching I have never heard before.

Scribe · 11-14-2010, 08:08 AM

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I have had wonderful experiences of being sanctified through writing the word. But, I never felt that the word "must be written". In fact there are many charges in the Bible to speak the word, to preach the word, etc. Are there any charges to "write the word"? This is a teaching I have never heard before.

Revelation 1:11. "What you see WRITE in a book and send to the seven churches..."

11-12-2010, 09:23 AM	#1
Scribe Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 222	Calling all Saints What is a saint? Often I hear Words used in a way that is not the reality of that Word. Saints is one of those Words. The Roman Catholic church speaks it in a way of idolatry. One dies and then the Pope cantonizes you. Idolatry and nonsense. But those who have ever walked in a local church use the Word to mean fellow believer. This also is not the meaning. To be a believer and to be a saint are not the same thing. Surely I greet all the believers. Peace to you who have believed into the name of Jesus Christ. You believe Him and so do I. We are in HIm. To be a saint is more than this. I am always glad to find a fellow believer. But to find a saint is holy. This thread is the call to all saints. So what is a saint? Scribe

11-13-2010, 09:51 AM	#4
Scribe Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 222	Re: Calling all Saints "To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, the called saints" Romans 1:7 Greetings to Suannehill and UntoHim. Thank you for your furtherance of our seeking to sanctify the Word: "saints". I do have something on my mind and I am not trying to tease. I seek fellowship in the revelation of being a saint. Unto Him, thank you for your thoughtful reply. Witness Lee spoke forth what he saw. He spoke and we spoke many things before the time that we could enter the reality had come. "Saints" is one of these. As the writer you posted below shows, the Word Saint is related to consecration. Consecration is another Word that we lacked revelation of ,though we spoke it often. Our mouth would say "O Lord, I consecrate myself to Christ and the church". But we never did! I spoke this boldly for years. I SPOKE that I consecrate my life, my family, my new borns, all to Christ. But I merely spoke it. The Word consecration doesn't mean to speak, it means "TO FILLTHE HANDS". To be consecrated is a matter of having our hands filled with the UNSPEAKABLE gift of the Word. Neither I nor my teachers knew this in those days. To be a saint requires consecration. The hands must be filled with the living Word. The Word saint is from the same root as sanctify, sanctuary, sanction, holy. It means to be set apart as Holy. It means to be made holy. So we come to John 17:17-20. "Sanctify them in the truth; Your Word is truth." Here we see that it is the Word that sanctifies us. We are made saints by the Words working in us. He comes to us through the writing of others (John in this case. Or Paul, or Luke, or UntoHim or Scribe etc.) and He cuts His way into our heart. And He works His way through our heart to branch into our hand. "As you have sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. For their sake I sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth." That we may also be sanctified in the Word. The Word here is Logos! It is not the Rhema that can be spoken that sanctifies us. It is the Logos that cannot be spoken and must be written that does the work of making us to be saints. We see Jesus sanctifying Himself in John 8. When challenged and tempted to speak, he stoops to write. As He writes He is sanctifying Himself. This rolls back the veil on how a man walks in sanctification. Now at John 17 he opens the way for more saints. V20 "And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their Word"! Here we see that each of the saints has a Logos. They have a Word they write. That Word is Christ and is the teaching. UNSPEAKABLE GIFT. Ponder brothers and sisters, the New Testament is a composition of letters written between the saints. Some letters were written corporately. Some to churches. Some to individuals. All are the Word. It was the daily life of the church that all write. The Bible bears witness to us now of a people whose God was the Word branching hand to hand. That Word has now passed through a long two millennial day baptism but now at the third day He arises. Many believe in Jesus, fewer except the discipline that makes disciples. But all disciples shall come through discipline to be reduced to the revelation of the sanctifying Word at hand and will be a holy scribe. He is in the world, but though they write they know Him not, but the saints know and handle Him daily. Faith and the Word mate at the hand of the saints. Scribe