Only the Lords Recovery can cause the second coming of Christ

[jigsaw44]

1.Hello my fellow posters Today I have some concerning information regarding the beliefs of the local churches. It all started with a conversation with a recent FTT graduate who grew up from New York, he just returned to the east coast after finishing his years at the the training and we had a conversation on his desires to work full time for the ministry. He went on the usual talk about spreading the ministry and so on. But things got weird for me at this moment, he then talked about the Parousia of the lord.

2. He referred to a verse in 2nd peter (chapter 3 I believe) in regards to expedite the lords return. This is a common verse and it is spoken of quite a lot and debated on its validity in cross examination with other scripture. But going on, he then said that the lords recovery is the body of Christ today and that the his return depends on the ministry, he then went on boasting about the ministry and its "gRoWtH". The weirdness continued when he said that the lords recovery is the savior of the world because the works of the ministry shall be the key for the return of our lord......... Then the usual return of babylon stuff starting coming out and that the local churches have recovered the true body and correct way of the church.

2.5- I felt a little weird after this conversation but when I discovered a LSM publication basically backing everything he was saying, I kind of got a little blown away, cause this is a step up from the usual LC delusion I am use to. Here is a copy and Paste of the words from Living Stream Ministry.


3. Living Stream Ministry- If there is no recovery of Gods people, from Babylon the great to the church life, there being no way for christ to carry out his second coming.

If there were no recovery on the earth today, there would be no return from Babylon the Great to the proper church life, and consequently, there would be no way for Christ to carry out His second coming. This thought should humble us and cause us to receive grace at the throne of God. This thought should cause us to pray, “Lord, You have brought us back and returned us according to Your promise, You have included us as part of Your remnant. I give myself and consecrate myself to You so that You can work out such a recovery today, a recovery that prepares us to be a basis for Your coming again.”


4. Then I started thinking about all the post here regarding why the LC is so desperate to maintain numbers, whether that is campus deception, twisted way of handling relationships so that people don't get attached to something that can be of greater value than the LC, minimizing all personal relationships in order to put the church at top priority with everything else being second (such as friends/family), extreme caution to keeping count of attendance of church meetings to keep track of numbers, and just the overall vile practices to shut down opposition. It is probably why the FTT is a mind control institution, simply because of this delusion. I mean this madness, this is ridiculous.

4.5 All this I think exist, because they are under the delusion that only they can bring back Christ. If someone is truly delusional and they think that they are the only ones capable of brining back Christ, I mean imagine what monstrosity that can bring to the mind in terms of desperation, evil, and the desire to domineer. I am not sure if this is a new belief or an long term Local Church belief conserved Over the years.

5. The reason I asked earlier on whether the local churches believe they are exclusively the body of Christ in their perception is because of this idea of the Lords recovery and their relation to the second coming. I hope I am missing something but this looks clear as day to me in regards to the delusion of LC people.

6. What do fellow posters think about this overall? I really hope im missing something here that can dispel this potential crazed delusion......

[Trapped]

I don't have much time at the moment, and it is somewhere in "the ministry" or in LSM's justification for some of their doctrines, but yes.....they do state somewhere that the bride can only be prepared in the churches which are local (i.e. "the genuine expression of the church") and the Lord will only come back when the genuine church is built. Where is the genuine church built? Only in the local churches, of course.

The local church doctrine of locality is self-elevating in that it's the only real, genuine, proper "expression" of the church.....and thus everything else that is not "meeting as a local church" is thus fake, not genuine, not proper. And the Lord's not going to come back for a fake/non-genuine/improper bride/church, right?

You are not missing anything. This truly is their crazed delusion.

And as you said, once you realize it, then the way they react to "dissension" makes sense, in a nonsensical way. Since they truly believe that the Lord's return literally depends on THEM and them alone, then any "negative" speaking is an attack on the golden gem of a diamond pure spotless bride that they think they are.

Of course, when pressed they will admit there are real believers in other churches. But they are not in the place where the church is built. They are not in the "proper expression of the church" and are thus discarded.

Cult.

[Curious]

So 'meeting on the proper ground' replaces being 'a sinner saved by grace', as the golden ticket for entry. Just like 'worshipping on the sabbath' for the SDA's.

They miss the gospel as presented in the bible! It seems too unglorious to be a helpless sinner mooching around on planet earth with no ability to save oneself from our miserable selfish condition and eventual demise. Much nicer to beleive some great key can elevate us above all this wretchedness, and we can bypass the realisation of our own limitedness and ugliness, pretty much altogether. No wonder it appeals. But truth is what saves.

To be Frank, it's quite scary, trusting your eternal fate to someone (God) who is all powerful and ALL KNOWING, especially about you and me and everything we have done in our lives, every secret, every hidden thing that we may hate those around us to discover. It's not easy to trust, but we are called to trust based on what HE has done for US, not what we an do to align ourselves to Him. If only it could be so easy!

What He does require of us is, humility, transparency before Him, and our trust. More easily said than done, it turns out. Humanity constantly looks for another way, a golden ticket. Which, bypasses the cross and insults Jesus sacrifice of his LIFE for us. This gospel of our trust and Jesus' sacrifice was never presented in my time of meeting with the LC.

[Trapped]

Here are a couple ministry quotes.

One on the building of the church:

The Lord’s building of His church began on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4, 41-42). Yet the Lord’s prophecy here still has not been fulfilled, even up to the twentieth century. The Lord is not building His church in Christendom, which is composed of the apostate Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. This prophecy is being fulfilled through the Lord’s recovery, in which the building of the genuine church is being accomplished.
-RcV footnote

Here's one on the bride:

One day, the bride, the wife of the Lamb, will be ready. But if there were no church life on earth today, how could the bride be prepared? It would be impossible. Could the bride be prepared in the Catholic Church or in the denominations? No! Could she be prepared in the free groups or in the charismatic movement? Certainly not! I believe strongly, not because I am in it but because I have seen the vision, that the Lord intends to spread His recovery to build up the proper church life throughout the world so that His bride might be made ready.
-Young People's Training

Here's one that shows they think only they meet in groups in homes, only they teach the truth, and only they spread the gospel:

Our work today is to build up the home meetings, teach the truth, and spread the gospel. In other words, it is to beget, nourish, and teach. These are things that are absolutely contrary to what Christianity is doing.
-Crucial Words of Leading in the Lord's Recovery, Bk 1

They are, and have been for some time......deluded and self-deceived.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Our work today is to build up the home meetings, teach the truth, and spread the gospel. In other words, it is to beget, nourish, and teach. These are things that are absolutely contrary to what Christianity is doing.
-Crucial Words of Leading in the Lord's Recovery, Bk 1

They are, and have been for some time......deluded and self-deceived.

Who knows how the Lord will do His ekklesia building in the last days!? It could be that there will be a strong movement in home meetings, where there is no denominational or Catholic influence. But this could certainly happen with no LC influence either! A couple brothers I know are quite into promoting the home meeting thing, and the best I can tell, they know nothing of each other! This shows how independent home meeting can be. Just ask Henry Hon, who was an elder in the California Bay Area for many, many years. His advocacy and practice of the home meetings got him kicked-out of the LC. My understanding is that basically LC leadership (Blendeds?) told him the meetings were too independant and were influenced too much by non-LC teachings, fellowship and practices. They pressured Henry to conform, and when he wouldn't, he was forced out.

Home meetings really fly under the radar. In this time of the Covid thing, many established churches aren't gathering, so I suspect there is probably a pretty good increase in believers meeting house to house now. But who knows where or how many? That's because it's kinda like trying to see the wind! Therefore, I don't think the LC should think, in any way, that they have a lock on home gatherings or can control it.

[Ohio]

WL told us that only he taught the gospel of the kingdom, which includes the gospel of the ground of oneness, the ground of locality. Matthew says this "gospel of the kingdom must be preached to the whole inhabited earth and then the end will come." The message was clear -- until there are LC's in every city, the Lord Jesus will not return.

Originally Posted by Trapped

I don't have much time at the moment, and it is somewhere in "the ministry" or in LSM's justification for some of their doctrines, but yes.....they do state somewhere that the bride can only be prepared in the churches which are local (i.e. "the genuine expression of the church") and the Lord will only come back when the genuine church is built. Where is the genuine church built? Only in the local churches, of course.

Hi, Trapped! I agree with You all! I am hoping to describe my over 20 years in LC. The best bait for animals is smelling and tasting like healthy food. isn't? The problem with their propaganda is that in many cases they are right! But crucial point is if they teach and follow Christ Himself. On one hand it is alway stay a way from world and being saint. But not nesseserly strange! The bigest lack is there is no spiritual fathers knowing God and loving brothers and sisters. Everything should be applied in love and with God's wisdom. Little by little, year after year I noticed that whole direction of thismovemnt is wrong. I was so honest innocent and stupid, that I went to elders sharing my burden that saints love each other so much and miss themselv that escape from masseges during conferences to room to have simply fellowshi and pray and share burdens!!!! Brothers giving messages were boring and death in spirit. But down therein church was hunger of life! And just guess what happen? About it later in my testimony. So I can testify, there is a lot of good points and books. But... the way thet exalt so called ministry is at least cult. I can compare any ministry to knife fork and plate. When You go to famous restaurant You recommend them because dishes or because of food. Ministry from God is direkting to God and praising God. All these thing went to far. I left them ( or they left me) because of simply hunger of life! I was not disputing apologetic discussions. Simply fellowship and life hunger. UUUUf! The same as Davis I am full of thoughts and hope to share somewere soon. English is not my mother languge so I hope my gramma mistakes will not influance on thought I want to express. God bless You all!