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Old 12-17-2019, 07:15 PM   #1
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They actually try to defend the way Ron spoke about his wife this past summer.

Sorry co-worker bros, no matter how you cut it, and no matter how much surrounding context you try to "un-wrench" from the snippets, Ron's speaking is still gross.
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Old 12-17-2019, 10:02 PM   #2
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They actually try to defend the way Ron spoke about his wife this past summer.

Sorry co-worker bros, no matter how you cut it, and no matter how much surrounding context you try to "un-wrench" from the snippets, Ron's speaking is still gross.
But who taught him to be so arrogantly abusive on the podium?

And how many are now learning all the wrong things from him?
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Old 12-18-2019, 05:29 AM   #3
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But who taught him to be so arrogantly abusive on the podium?
Who taught Ron K to speak this way? This kind of evil speaking is of the devil himself.

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And how many are now learning all the wrong things from him?
Everyone. Everyone who chooses to believe and practice such demonic evil.

Eph. 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
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17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;


I don’t see how any sober minded man can, from the podium, speak such evil about approximately half of the body of Christ and yet hold himself up as a minister of truth.

Isaiah 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!”


Lord help and forgive us all.
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Old 12-18-2019, 12:45 PM   #4
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Ron Kangas: "I am the Co-Worker! My wife is nothing! To recognize her as an equal child of God and human being would be to put her on the throne and crown her! There is no room on my royal throne for my spouse! There is only room for me, the exalted Blended Co-Worker! For any sister to have an opinion about anything, much less dare to speak the truth regarding any kind of abuse against her is in rebellion against God's deputy authority, and they are subject to having the earth open up and swallow them alive!"
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Old 12-26-2019, 08:58 AM   #5
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Ron Kangas: "I am the Co-Worker! My wife is nothing! To recognize her as an equal child of God and human being would be to put her on the throne and crown her! There is no room on my royal throne for my spouse! There is only room for me, the exalted Blended Co-Worker! For any sister to have an opinion about anything, much less dare to speak the truth regarding any kind of abuse against her is in rebellion against God's deputy authority, and they are subject to having the earth open up and swallow them alive!"
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Since you state that this is a paraphrase, what is the actual thing Kangas said?
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Old 12-26-2019, 06:56 PM   #6
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Since you state that this is a paraphrase, what is the actual thing Kangas said?
From the article on the LSM site "shepherding words."
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I am so thankful I have my companion, my wife, to travel with me wherever I go, but I am the co-worker; I am the one ministering. She is nothing. She is no one. She is just my wife. I will never crown her. I will never exalt her. To do so would be to damage her. (Ron Kangas, The Ministry of the Word 23:7 (July 2019), 229-230)
This would have to be compared with the audio tape to confirm the wording.
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Ron Kangas: "I am the Co-Worker! My wife is nothing! To recognize her as an equal child of God and human being would be to put her on the throne and crown her! There is no room on my royal throne for my spouse! There is only room for me, the exalted Blended Co-Worker! For any sister to have an opinion about anything, much less dare to speak the truth regarding any kind of abuse against her is in rebellion against God's deputy authority, and they are subject to having the earth open up and swallow them alive!"
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No way!!! I can not believe in it! I heard already about they have their pope WL. But this? nooooo!!!
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Old 08-10-2023, 06:27 AM   #8
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Ron Kangas: "I am the Co-Worker! My wife is nothing! To recognize her as an equal child of God and human being would be to put her on the throne and crown her! There is no room on my royal throne for my spouse! There is only room for me, the exalted Blended Co-Worker! For any sister to have an opinion about anything, much less dare to speak the truth regarding any kind of abuse against her is in rebellion against God's deputy authority, and they are subject to having the earth open up and swallow them alive!"
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Hello,

Was this statement by RK was made about his wife that passed away, or a newly acquired one from Russia?
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Old 08-10-2023, 09:12 AM   #9
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Not that it should really matter, it happens that this insult was flung towards the second wife who happens to be of Asian descent. I doubt Ron would have hurled out such a condescending thing to his first wife Susan. From what I know, she was a real tiger and she would publicly humiliated him in an instant!
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Old 12-29-2019, 07:48 AM   #10
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20 But ye have not so learned Christ;[/COLOR
Isaiah 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!”


Lord help and forgive us all.
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But they still claim that we shouldn't follow the principle of good and evil coming from tree of knowledge of good and evil embodied by Satan.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:01 AM   #11
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Concerning Myriam and Aaron who protested against Moses's marriage with Gentiles, it symbolizes Christ typified by Moses married with the Church as a bridegroom coming from gentile nations. This predicts Christ will be rejected by Myriam (Hebrew name refers to rebellion) typified as rebellious Israel and Aaron typified as Judaism's priesthood like Annas and Caiphas who reject Jesus.

The reason why only Myriam became leprous while Aaron was still fine is that God, even forsaking Israel and turning to Gentiles, still keeps Judaic priesthood until second coming of Jesus and millennium kingdom where Jews will serve Him as priests.

So, it has nothing to do with self proclaiming deputy authority of God among Blended Brothers and LC.
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Old 12-29-2019, 09:28 AM   #12
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The real question here is not whether the wife of Ron Kangas has any legitimate authority, but whether Ron has any legitimate authority in the body of Christ.

Ron Kangas was a Princeton theological graduate who became an ineffective elder in a local church, and then was picked by WL to be a book editor at LSM. Kangas rose to prominence at LSM after John Ingalls and his translation team were thrown under the bus over the Phillip Lee scandal. Whereas Kangas, Benson Phillips, Ray Graver, and others bowed down to WL's reprobate son Philip, the so-called "Office," Ingalls and others took a stand for the Lord, for truth, for righteousness, and for the children of God. They were all slandered and expelled for their stand. Forget the Bible, forget the truth, forget about righteousness, forget about God and His people, the Recovery is all about the lust for power and control.

In a religious system which whole-heartedly believed that their movement required a MOTA, a Minister of the Age, when WL died a leadership vacuum was created. As the principal speaker and theologian, Kangas filled that void in the hearts of the Recovery faithful. He assumed Lee's position.

The Recovery loves to use Moses as their authority paradigm. The problem is that no scriptural basis whatsoever exists that Moses was a type or picture of a N.T. minister. The Bible clearly states, however, that Moses was the forerunner of Jesus Christ, who build God's house. (Deut 18, Acts 3, Hebrews 3, II Cor 3-4, etc.)

After leaving the Catholic church of my upbringing, I rejected all false Papal claims of the "Vicar of Christ" on earth. After leaving the Recovery, I also rejected all illegitimate MOTA claims of "Deputy Authority" by WL or any of his Blendeds, including Ron Kangas.
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Old 12-15-2020, 01:36 AM   #13
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Concerning Myriam and Aaron who protested against Moses's marriage with Gentiles, it symbolizes Christ typified by Moses married with the Church as a bridegroom coming from gentile nations. This predicts Christ will be rejected by Myriam (Hebrew name refers to rebellion) typified as rebellious Israel and Aaron typified as Judaism's priesthood like Annas and Caiphas who reject Jesus.

The reason why only Myriam became leprous while Aaron was still fine is that God, even forsaking Israel and turning to Gentiles, still keeps Judaic priesthood until second coming of Jesus and millennium kingdom where Jews will serve Him as priests.

So, it has nothing to do with self proclaiming deputy authority of God among Blended Brothers and LC.
Would be prfect if that were anly matter of symbols in Old Testament. The main problem is, that they lost Holly Spirit floating among this beautiful explonations. Do not forget about new covenant! If any teaching even right and best in apologetic wat donot bring Heavenly Kingdom than it leads to chaos. This is a matter of spirits. Too many words, too much philosophy! What was IQ of Jesus? Was He smart, stupid? What was His teaching? As some of You said, there is no need to twist RK words. Blind christians think that rain is falling when somebody spits on them! This is really weird when some people listing this messages without sober discern. There is no spritual depth! Are they kidding us! Let's say I will quote him saing to my wife: You are nothing! I am brother leading one! I know for sure what responce would be... The mani thing is that he hipnotise listiners. They think: oh, yeas! Brather Ron Kangas! He, is great! What a message! For sure there is spiritual hidden meanning! Of course he meant nothing wrong!
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They have been trying to lead the whole body of christ from the front now for how many years? Completely disconnected, they are oblivious to how ridiculous their attitudes on some of these topics are. No self-respecting minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ in any respectable setting would be foolish enough to dream of spouting such words and expect to be taken seriously. It's beyond the pale and very embarrassing.... for them.
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Old 12-18-2019, 02:25 PM   #15
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They actually try to defend the way Ron spoke about his wife this past summer.

Sorry co-worker bros, no matter how you cut it, and no matter how much surrounding context you try to "un-wrench" from the snippets, Ron's speaking is still gross.
Each time they write another one of these articles, they take the default stance that the LCM can do or say nothing wrong and then proceed to accuse others of deliberately misinterpreting what was spoken.

Too bad for them that the recording of Ron has already made its rounds, and everyone has heard what he said for themselves. Their continuous boldfaced lies are getting really old.
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Old 12-25-2019, 12:06 PM   #16
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Does anyone have a link to where he spoke this about his wife? It at least where and when? Thanks.
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Old 11-27-2020, 10:59 PM   #17
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Does anyone have a link to where he spoke this about his wife? It at least where and when? Thanks.
Oh yeah, Ron Kangas spewed those disgusting words out at 17m 20s into this video:
https://youtu.be/rD_eSvRMG0I?t=1040

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Old 11-28-2020, 01:00 AM   #18
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Oh yeah, Ron Kangas spewed those disgusting words out at 17m 20s into this video:
https://youtu.be/rD_eSvRMG0I?t=1040

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Thanks for posting the link PriestlyScribe. The first couple minutes starting at 17:20 hit me as "drama queen", quite frankly. His voice pregnant with emotion, wavering as he lies about fake "rebellions". Sigh....

Also, just for the record regarding "co-workers" in the Bible....

Romans 16:3 - Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus.

Note – the co-workers here are a couple. A husband and wife.

Both "crowned" and "exalted" the same....if you want to use the unnecessary language Ron used. Soooo......whooops! Looks like there absolutely is Biblical precedent for what Ron considers to be so repulsive.
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I grew up in this church. It took tremendous courage to #walkaway @ 18. I have spent many hours to re-write my brain from the deleterious effects of this wicked cult.

As a woman, I was diminished and treated as a second class citizen. Taught that I was nothing, had no value, was separated from my sexual nature which I severely repressed. I was taught that I would have an arranged marriage some day. I was taught never to question the teachings, to be 100% obedient to all the adults in the church. The older women teach the younger women how to be afraid, how to hate themselves, how to be very afraid of people not in the church, how to hate their bodies, how to not turn into Eve, Jezebel and be more like Esther.
Dear friends. It would seem the idea that a woman is ‘nothing’, stated in the words of Ron Kangas, may indicate more than him just ‘shooting his (most venerated and perfected) mouth off’. I found the reference above in a thread ‘A Sister’s Testimony’ amongst the ‘Introductions and Testimonies’ sub-heading on this forum. It repeats RK’s words on shepherdingwords.com, but before they were posted there, before he spoke them too I think.

I find it interesting that her words indicate RK was indeed speaking of the policy of the local churches regarding the value taught to women. I think it may have been aron or Ohio posted somewhere, amongst many testimonies, patterns emerge. Those patterns reveal what is really there.

let this be another testimony to add to the exposure of their internal orthodoxy of the belief that 'women are nothing.'
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Who's Ron Kangas? I never heard of that person during my time at Local Churches. Local churches are good at keeping secrets, so they're opaque. Also they don't want the their past misdeeds to be leaked towards other churches not affiliated with Local Churches. I'm sure corruption still exists to this day.

I'm sure Local Churches organisation still get criticism, ever after Witness Lee is gone.
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Who's Ron Kangas? I never heard of that person during my time at Local Churches. Local churches are good at keeping secrets, so they're opaque. Also they don't want the their past misdeeds to be leaked towards other churches not affiliated with Local Churches. I'm sure corruption still exists to this day.

I'm sure Local Churches organisation still get criticism, ever after Witness Lee is gone.
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Who's Ron Kangas? I never heard of that person during my time at Local Churches. Local churches are good at keeping secrets, so they're opaque. Also they don't want the their past misdeeds to be leaked towards other churches not affiliated with Local Churches. I'm sure corruption still exists to this day.

I'm sure Local Churches organisation still get criticism, ever after Witness Lee is gone.
Ron Kangas is the one who said about WL: "we have someone bigger than Pope!".
Who knows... who knows...?
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*even*

I meant even after Witness Lee is gone
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I meant even after Witness Lee is gone
You are right! Even after Witness Lee is gone, Ron Kangas is wasting his time talking about Witness instead of Christ! He is good exxample of deceived Christian. They never say:" I am so sorry! I was wrong!"
They just die withe all mistakes. That is example of what WL has left.
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They never say:" I am so sorry! I was wrong!"
That is why brothers in the lead rarely exhibited humility nor repentance.
There was an expectation from others to repent to them.
If brothers in the lead offended or wronged anyone, they would not say: " I am so sorry! I was wrong!". Rather they would say brother/sister, you need to take the cross.
I may be off here, but in the local churches I think the concept of taking the cross was a bit off. It is utilized to change the narrative when there is conflict between brothers/sisters. To avoid accountability, just take the cross.
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