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Evangelical · 05-25-2018, 07:48 PM

To make it clearer for everyone, this thread is really about "full salvation" rather than " John 3:16-only salvation". So to "gain Christ" does not mean "gain the indwelling of the Spirit", I use the term "gain Christ" as Paul did, in the present tense. I presented "a more comprehensive definition of salvation". I can see that we could think of justification by faith as gaining Christ in the past, sanctification as gaining Christ in the present, and glorification as gaining Christ in future.

I actually first encountered these ideas not in the recovery or from Lee but in Apostolic churches in the US and the teaching of John Wesley, whose history comes from the Welsh revival of 1904-1905 and the British revivals in the 1830s. Basically, John 3:16-only salvation is for forgiveness of sins, justification. Full salvation, is sanctification, transformation etc.

05-25-2018, 07:48 PM	#19
Evangelical Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,965	Re: Christ or faith the Savior? To make it clearer for everyone, this thread is really about "full salvation" rather than " John 3:16-only salvation". So to "gain Christ" does not mean "gain the indwelling of the Spirit", I use the term "gain Christ" as Paul did, in the present tense. I presented "a more comprehensive definition of salvation". I can see that we could think of justification by faith as gaining Christ in the past, sanctification as gaining Christ in the present, and glorification as gaining Christ in future. I actually first encountered these ideas not in the recovery or from Lee but in Apostolic churches in the US and the teaching of John Wesley, whose history comes from the Welsh revival of 1904-1905 and the British revivals in the 1830s. Basically, John 3:16-only salvation is for forgiveness of sins, justification. Full salvation, is sanctification, transformation etc.