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Old 01-11-2020, 02:16 PM   #5946
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Trump derangement syndrome is really a delusion that Trump is the god that he thinks he is. I do not necessarily disagree with the politics of people who decided that Trump was the lesser evil in the 2016 election.
Trump is a god? Trump thinks he is a god? The most hated man in this country, daily fueled by vile media lies, and he is a god? Wow, first you blasted Christians for saying Trump is Cyrus. Sorry bro, the only political "deity" in America was Obama. Numerous claims I have read/heard over the years that he was the Messiah.

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But I disagree that the whole of Christian morality and action should be in ranting about abortion and LGBQ?? issues in a manner that is more like the heathen we claim to be trying to stop.
Abortion is murder. Murder of the most innocent of all. Dogs have more rights. If standing against it is "ranting" then count me in.

But you sound just like CNN. They smeared those Covington kids for ranting, and then called them racists, and worse. Sorry OBW, but you missed the fact that the only person at that pro-life rally who behaved as an adult, and was praying the whole time, was Nick Sandmann.

God judged Sodom, and Paul wrote against it. But you condemn Christians who stand against it. Sorry, but you are on the wrong side of these issues.

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And once again you conflate disagreement with the manner of how evangelicals have gone about trying to force their morality on the heathen (and once again gotten into bed with the world of politics) with agreement with the other side of the issues in question. Just one more proof that your head is stuck in the same mire that those Christian leaders are stuck in. And is it the Christian thing to do to force Christian morality on the world, and insist on our "right" to have it better than anyone else in the entire world? I am not sure what Bible you have been reading.
I don't see you fighting for anything good. At least give other Christians the right to fight for the truth on behalf of succeeding generations. And I think you got Christians mixed up with the Muslams, it is they who force their morality on the rest of the world.

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Do you see everything so harshly black-and-white that disagreeing on anything is to side with the opponents? Do you suppose that every Republican who does not go along with the Jack-booted, xenophobic, racist nonsense of the most extreme right-wing of the party must be bleeding liberals?
There you go parroting leftist media lies. I see no racist Republicans. All the racists I see are those who constantly accuse others of racism. They also scream a whole litany of smears, without a shred of evidence. Too bad your head is stuck in fake media. Did you say "mired?"

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If you do then . . . well, we are not supposed to talk about others on the forum in such derogatory terms. Do you presume that every issue is simply divided between "righteous Republicans" and "communist/socialist liberal Democrats?" Then you deserve the narcissistic buffon that turns every issue into one about himself.
I never said Republicans are all righteous, but yes, as a matter of fact, I do presume that nearly all media reporting is sourced in communist/socialist liberal Democrats. On a case-by-case basis, they have to prove me wrong. I can dissect every major political story of the last 3 years into facts and lies. And all the lies come from the left.

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My complaint is not just that Jeffress and the rest are supporting Trump, but that they are going all-in on forcing some kind of theocratic law of morality that we would never allow for if it was Islamic law or Buddhist law. We even go so far as to assert that Islamic regimes should simply be overthrown and turned into democratic republics.
Haven't heard that. Sounds more like the NeoCon Bushes. But Trump can choose his own pastor, right? Obama had Jeremiah Wright and Al Sharpton, and preached in all the black churches, didn't he? Where's your outrage? Jeffress is better than that Paula White, however, who married that Journey keyboardist who wrote "Don't stop believin."

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I don't like Trump. I honestly believe that he has committed crimes worthy of impeachment. I don't care whether you agree with me on that. I don't care whether Republicans or Democrats agree or disagree with me on it. But no matter what, until he is removed from office by election or impeachment (which is also what Galli said) I believe that the country will survive. Even 4 more years.
Helluva democracy when you get to impeach a duly elected President that you don't like. Can't you accept the will of those who elected him? Won't the country survive 8 years of Trump. Perhaps with fewer abortions, and fewer wars, and fewer illegal aliens? Is that so bad?

Why don't you take an honest and fair approach to Trump. Go back and examine all the many claims against him and see which ones were true, and which were lies. Add up the columns. Do some accounting work, with asset and debit columns. Perhaps you will find something good in Trump.

For example, we heard endlessly for 3 years that Trump was a Russian asset, a Putin Puppet. Those were all lies. Muller and his team proved that conclusively. Do you still believe Trump is a Russian traitor? You really need to examine how many of your "beliefs" are based on falsehoods. You got the skills. You did that with LC teachings, didn't you?
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