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awareness · 11-02-2014, 07:06 AM

Back to 1 Corinthians 2:11 . . .

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

. . . where bro Zeek substitutes consciousness for spirit. Back then, before the advent of the "discovery" of consciousness/awareness, what other word could Paul have used for consciousness but pneuma?

And it works:

Webster's Third New International Dictionary
consciousness is: "(1) a. awareness or perception of an inward psychological or spiritual fact: intuitively perceived knowledge of something in one's inner self. b. inward awareness of an external object, state, or fact. c: concerned awareness: INTEREST, CONCERN -- often used with an attributive noun. (2): the state or activity that is characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, or thought: mind in the broadest possible sense: something in nature that is distinguished from the physical. (3): the totality in psychology of sensations, perceptions, ideas, attitudes and feelings of which an individual or a group is aware at any given time or within a particular time span -- compare STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS."

Locke (17th c. source of our modern concept of consciousness):
Locke defined consciousness as "the perception of what passes in a man's own mind"

And:
"The Latin phrase conscius sibi, whose meaning was more closely related to the current concept of consciousness, was rendered in English as "conscious to oneself"

So Paul, not knowing consciousness as we know it today said:
what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit (today=consciousness) of man which is in him?

Hey, the Bible is saying what we want it to say, and we haven't introduced even the slightest threat of torture ... yet. In fact, given our use of the word consciousness today, a modern day translation of the this verse could easily read :

1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Oh, wait, that's the ESV translation. I mean, could read:

"For who knows a person's thoughts except the consciousness of that person, which is in him?"

References from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

11-02-2014, 07:06 AM	#24
awareness Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,064	Re: God's eternal purpose. Back to 1 Corinthians 2:11 . . . 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. . . . where bro Zeek substitutes consciousness for spirit. Back then, before the advent of the "discovery" of consciousness/awareness, what other word could Paul have used for consciousness but pneuma? And it works: Webster's Third New International Dictionary consciousness is: "(1) a. awareness or perception of an inward psychological or spiritual fact: intuitively perceived knowledge of something in one's inner self. b. inward awareness of an external object, state, or fact. c: concerned awareness: INTEREST, CONCERN -- often used with an attributive noun. (2): the state or activity that is characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, or thought: mind in the broadest possible sense: something in nature that is distinguished from the physical. (3): the totality in psychology of sensations, perceptions, ideas, attitudes and feelings of which an individual or a group is aware at any given time or within a particular time span -- compare STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS." Locke (17th c. source of our modern concept of consciousness): Locke defined consciousness as "the perception of what passes in a man's own mind" And: "The Latin phrase conscius sibi, whose meaning was more closely related to the current concept of consciousness, was rendered in English as "conscious to oneself" So Paul, not knowing consciousness as we know it today said: what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit (today=consciousness) of man which is in him? Hey, the Bible is saying what we want it to say, and we haven't introduced even the slightest threat of torture ... yet. In fact, given our use of the word consciousness today, a modern day translation of the this verse could easily read : 1Co 2:11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Oh, wait, that's the ESV translation. I mean, could read: "For who knows a person's thoughts except the consciousness of that person, which is in him?" References from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness __________________ Cults: My brain will always be there for you. Thinking. So you don't have to. There's a serpent in every paradise.