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Old 11-07-2019, 02:36 AM   #4
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Default Re: Co-workers In The Lordís Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

Originally Posted by UntoHim View Post
Excerpt from the latest addition to Shepherding Words:
The Proper Way to Deal with Problems in the Church
The “proper” way to deal with problems in the Church is Matthew 18:15-17.
15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Are we told in v. 16 who to “take” (elders...deacons...apostles)? No. Take witnesses. Possibly, this means witnesses to the problem, regardless of where they may live.

V. 17 “Tell it to the church” means tell it to the church. It doesn’t mean “tell it to the Elders” or “tell it to the apostles”. Tell it to the church.

The members are charged to solve their own problems. If necessary, witnesses are brought in to establish the problem or matter. But final “authority” is given to the church...the members. Elders and deacons have abdicated their role as servants and, with a heavy-handed rod, usurped the authority of the church by assuming her role in solving problems.

If members do not practice Matt.18:15, rather, if members are not admonished to practice Matt. 18:15-17, the door is open for ambitious elders to come in and “rule”.

Why didn’t Matthew 18 say “tell it to the elders”? Because the church that Jesus was building was given the authority to make such part of the “building” process...maybe?

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