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Old 06-01-2019, 06:50 PM   #5684
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Politics and the Church

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Originally Posted by awareness View Post
No games. My position is that women have sovereign rights over their own body. And they decide where the line is drawn. Not you.

And the constitution, according to the 7/2 decision of the supreme court in 1973 supports the sovereignty of women's right to their own body. As it should be.
So a viable baby has no rights. Baby 8 1/2 months, no rights.

The woman had the right over her own body when she conceived.

She had the right over her own body 2 months later when she knew she was pregnant. But she decided to wait another 6 1/2 months before terminating because that is her sovereign right.

By this logic we give more rights to unborn deer and geese than we do to babies. At least with them we regulate when the hunter can and can't kill them because they might be pregnant.

The US government can imprison you for a year and give you a $50,000 fine for killing an animal on the endangered species list, but they cannot protect babies?

The US government and every single state government has many laws and regulations protecting baby animals and pregnant animals from having the pregnancy terminated, but they can't do the same for human babies?

Finally, why does a 7-2 decision by 9 old people trump the principal of democracy and the US constitution?

There is nothing in the US constitution about abortion, the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. Their decision said that a woman had a right to privacy as long as the baby wasn't viable. So in their "interpretation" the right to privacy does not trump the right of a baby to live. They have clearly deemed there are two competing interests involved in this issue and both have a standing in the eyes of the court.

So the court did not decide that a woman decides where to draw the line.

The problem with drawing the line at "viability" is that this has changed as medical care has improved. The heartbeat by comparison has not changed over the same period of time so as a unit of measurement is far more reliable. For example, "one month after the detection of a heartbeat" would be the same today as it was in the 70s. So why choose an arbitrary time of "viability" when that will continually change? My guess is that once you use the heartbeat as a basis the question then becomes why are you waiting a month after this baby is a living being with a heartbeat?
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