04-27-2021, 09:32 AM
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Re: Nigel Tomes on 1 Corinthians 15:45 "Let's Get It Right"
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Originally Posted by Ohio
Listen carefully to the transition that Nigel misses when he posts I Cor 15.44-45. He discusses Paul's comments on two types of body, the soulish or natural body and the spiritual body, the body before resurrection, and the body after.
Then Paul quotes a part of Genesis 2.7, "Adam became a living soul." But that was NOT Adam's body. Adam's body was dust, made from dust, and will return to dust. Paul did not refer to Adam's body here, rather to what Adam became after God breathed into him.
Likewise when the Last Adam became "life giving Spirit," Paul was not referring to the spiritual body of Jesus, but what He had become following resurrection.
I don't agree with Nigel's premise here. He misses the transition, "So also it is written." (I Cor 15.45a) Paul's word use here indicates he is making a further point, not just expanding the previous point. To repeat, Adam's body was not "a living soul," and Jesus' resurrected body was not "living giving spirit." These two descriptions refer to something more "intrinsic" for lack of a better word.
Then Nigel quotes E.P. Sanders saying this verse is easy to misunderstand. I would say that E.P. Sanders is "easy to misunderstand" since he has numerous controversial ideas about Paul, Jesus, and Judaism. Many evangelicals do not accept his ideas. He may be a scholar, and I do not reject scholars, but "scholars" come in all flavors. Dr. Bart Ehrman has been widely referenced on this forum and he is now a professed agnostic/atheist. When it comes to "scholars," buyer beware!
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This looks right to me. One is not to the exclusion of the other. To me, this kind of debate happens when we're not keeping the union between Christ and His body members in view. That is, we're trying to divide one out from the other. I don't think scripture does this, because we are in Christ and He is in us. And that word "in" should actually many times be translated "into," (like is in John 3:16 - "everyone believing into Him.") This shows that there is a union that is something more than just joining a "Christian club." So trying to finely divide Christ from body members in this passage probably shouldn't be done.
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