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Old 04-27-2021, 09:11 AM   #22
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Default Re: Nigel Tomes on 1 Corinthians 15:45 "Let's Get It Right"

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To answer your question, UntoHim, no, of course not. In fact, Paul does not even mention "the Person of the Holy Spirit" in this entire section.
And yet you quoted the verse in the earlier post saying
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If not, then as Paul says, "The Last Adam became a Zoe-giving Spirit."
You capitalized "spirit." So you brought the Spirit into the discussion. Or seemed to do so. And you even calitalized "zoe" as if it is important to make it like a person rather than function or adjective. Not that this was intentionally for that purpose. But it is not the words actually there.

To understand this particular phrase as simply words that must tie "life-giving" to the understanding of the resurrected body that we receive is not something clearly stated. With v 45, Paul not only continues the comparison of the natural body and the spiritual body but notes that there is an order. First came the natural, then the spiritual. He ends this part of the comparison by saying that " just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man." (v 49). So the thrust is not to be the same as, but to bear the image of.

Clearly, this could mean that we do not simply have a body in resurrection exactly like that of Christ, but that we should expect that it bears the image of that body. Since we will be in a different era, some aspects of comparison are not as meaningful as they are when it is about someone who is moving around Judea as Christ did among all those totally flesh-and-blood people.

And the purpose of the discussion was not to pin it down, but to stop the bickering. If you want to carry your ideas beyond what Paul actually said to what might be extrapolated from it, then I believe you missed the point.

And even if you turn out to be right on this point (which we will not know in this life) what does it benefit you in this life or the next? It isn't yet (as long as you live) and it is what it is in resurrection and no benefit derives to those who figured it out. To hang on to something like this as important seems to be contrary to most of Paul's purpose for this whole epistle.
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