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aron · 03-26-2021, 06:40 AM

What follows are examples of what I term novel speaking by the self-styled minister of the age. See if it comports with Christianity in any form.

Title: LEAVE OUR OLD CONCEPTS AND CAPTURE THE NEW VISION OF THE LORD'S PRESENT RECOVERY

(Turns out, everything you've been taught thus far [by WL] has been 'old concepts' and now he has 'the new vision'. But only he can make this judgment. We can't tell him this, he tells us this.)

"If there are fifty saints in a local church, we have to look to the Lord for all of them to become engaged in some kind of practical service for the Lord. Fifteen Saints could go out knocking on the doors of the neighborhood to win people to the Lord. another fifteen could take over the home meetings. Perhaps those who go out to preach the gospel could transfer the care of the new believers they win to those who have received the burden of establishing home meetings. Fifteen other Saints could take over the small group meetings. In a short time, perhaps three or four months, all fifty Saints could be busy with some kind of practical service for the Lord, caring for new believers and younger believers. If each of the Saints were to take care of one of the newly baptized for a year, think how much the new believers would grow! All the teaching materials, the lesson books, are at our disposal. We could communicate these things to new believers through the Spirit and with much prayer. If we go this way, the church could easily double in number in the course of a year."

(WL said that we could easily double in number in the course of a year. What does Deuteronomy tell us about a prophet whose word doesn't come to pass? And where's the leading of the Holy Spirit in this kind of 'new vision' direction from HQ? "Fifteen of you - here. Fifteen of you - there." I was there and we were told, "You, you, you - you're now a 'vital group'")

"If we take this new way that the Lord has shown us, after a year our numbers will double, and many Saints will be trained, perfected, and instructed to speak in rich content meetings. I firmly believe that the Lord will regain this path among us fully. The result of this journey is not a large congregation that serves as a facade to make a good impression on others. If we are faithful to the Lord, the time will come when the Lord will win twenty thousand in a city of one hundred and fifty thousand. On the Lord's Day, all of them may serve the Lord in different ways. Some might go out knocking on doors in the neighborhood, some might go out to care for home gatherings, and still others might be in charge of small group meetings. So many homes throughout the city, in all their streets, they would worship the Lord, singing hymns to Him, praising Him, and talking about Him. Occasionally, perhaps once a month or every two or three months, the entire church will come together. If we don't have a meeting room that is big enough, we could use an auditorium or a stadium."

(I was in trainings where we were promised the moon if we'd only go with the apostle's vision. We were entranced - what good fortune! The very directions from God himself was reaching us through this humble little brother! A few old-timers were nonplussed, "We've heard all this before." The young fire-breathers were like, "No!! We must believe!! This is God!!")

"The path we took in the past was not effective. The Lord, then, wants to discard everything that belongs to the old way, which was traditional and did not conform to the Scriptures. He wants to do something for His recovery in a new way. We need to catch the vision that corresponds to the Lord's present recovery. Otherwise, we ourselves will be excluded. In such a case, we will be content to remain in our old age. It is up to ourselves to move forward with the Lord in His present recovery, or not to move forward. But we must know that once the change of age occurs, no one will wait for us. Once the advent of the age to come occurs, we will be left behind and excluded as far as the Lord's move is concerned."

(WL had seen three periods explosive church growth: once in mainland China, then in Taiwan, and then S Cal [not sure of first two, but S Cal had other nearby groups simultaneously {!!} experiencing even greater growth {!!} during the Jesus People era]. Evidently that previous strong growth was 'not effective' and termed 'the old way' and WL had freedom to re-invent Church practice in front of everyone. Even the Pope in Rome wouldn't be this bold.)

Text copied from

https://www.iglesiaenpadrelascasas.o...acion-de-dios/

03-26-2021, 06:40 AM	#11
aron Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Natal Transvaal Posts: 5,631	Novel speaking What follows are examples of what I term novel speaking by the self-styled minister of the age. See if it comports with Christianity in any form. Title: LEAVE OUR OLD CONCEPTS AND CAPTURE THE NEW VISION OF THE LORD'S PRESENT RECOVERY (Turns out, everything you've been taught thus far [by WL] has been 'old concepts' and now he has 'the new vision'. But only he can make this judgment. We can't tell him this, he tells us this.) "If there are fifty saints in a local church, we have to look to the Lord for all of them to become engaged in some kind of practical service for the Lord. Fifteen Saints could go out knocking on the doors of the neighborhood to win people to the Lord. another fifteen could take over the home meetings. Perhaps those who go out to preach the gospel could transfer the care of the new believers they win to those who have received the burden of establishing home meetings. Fifteen other Saints could take over the small group meetings. In a short time, perhaps three or four months, all fifty Saints could be busy with some kind of practical service for the Lord, caring for new believers and younger believers. If each of the Saints were to take care of one of the newly baptized for a year, think how much the new believers would grow! All the teaching materials, the lesson books, are at our disposal. We could communicate these things to new believers through the Spirit and with much prayer. If we go this way, the church could easily double in number in the course of a year." (WL said that we could easily double in number in the course of a year. What does Deuteronomy tell us about a prophet whose word doesn't come to pass? And where's the leading of the Holy Spirit in this kind of 'new vision' direction from HQ? "Fifteen of you - here. Fifteen of you - there." I was there and we were told, "You, you, you - you're now a 'vital group'") "If we take this new way that the Lord has shown us, after a year our numbers will double, and many Saints will be trained, perfected, and instructed to speak in rich content meetings. I firmly believe that the Lord will regain this path among us fully. The result of this journey is not a large congregation that serves as a facade to make a good impression on others. If we are faithful to the Lord, the time will come when the Lord will win twenty thousand in a city of one hundred and fifty thousand. On the Lord's Day, all of them may serve the Lord in different ways. Some might go out knocking on doors in the neighborhood, some might go out to care for home gatherings, and still others might be in charge of small group meetings. So many homes throughout the city, in all their streets, they would worship the Lord, singing hymns to Him, praising Him, and talking about Him. Occasionally, perhaps once a month or every two or three months, the entire church will come together. If we don't have a meeting room that is big enough, we could use an auditorium or a stadium." (I was in trainings where we were promised the moon if we'd only go with the apostle's vision. We were entranced - what good fortune! The very directions from God himself was reaching us through this humble little brother! A few old-timers were nonplussed, "We've heard all this before." The young fire-breathers were like, "No!! We must believe!! This is God!!") "The path we took in the past was not effective. The Lord, then, wants to discard everything that belongs to the old way, which was traditional and did not conform to the Scriptures. He wants to do something for His recovery in a new way. We need to catch the vision that corresponds to the Lord's present recovery. Otherwise, we ourselves will be excluded. In such a case, we will be content to remain in our old age. It is up to ourselves to move forward with the Lord in His present recovery, or not to move forward. But we must know that once the change of age occurs, no one will wait for us. Once the advent of the age to come occurs, we will be left behind and excluded as far as the Lord's move is concerned." (WL had seen three periods explosive church growth: once in mainland China, then in Taiwan, and then S Cal [not sure of first two, but S Cal had other nearby groups simultaneously {!!} experiencing even greater growth {!!} during the Jesus People era]. Evidently that previous strong growth was 'not effective' and termed 'the old way' and WL had freedom to re-invent Church practice in front of everyone. Even the Pope in Rome wouldn't be this bold.) Text copied from https://www.iglesiaenpadrelascasas.o...acion-de-dios/ __________________ "Freedom is free. It's slavery that's so horribly expensive" - Colonel Templeton, ret., of the 12th Scottish Highlanders, the 'Black Fusiliers' Last edited by aron; 03-26-2021 at 12:52 PM.