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Originally Posted by Awoken
Whose failure was I pointing at? The lady who is adding extra grammar to the Bible, or Eve's? And in which case would I be wrong? To at least call the action of the person drastically changing the meaning of Bible verses into question, or mentioning that there is a direct parallel to the failure of a certain Biblical character, which we do all the time for men? Hm.. can you think of some other threads where I have recently called male teachers into question? Witness Lee? Ravi Zacharias? Plenty of others.
I find your accusations rude and ungrounded and frankly I'm kind of hurt by the hypocrisy, and UntoHim's hurtful "next", I'm just garbage I guess, or fodder. I'm out of here for a while.
Awoken.
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You were pointing the finger at Eve's failure when she embellished the scripture.
Here are some interesting factoids about this subject:
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
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3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
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Gen. 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
So, the interesting part is that when "God commanded the man", the woman was not present. She had not even been "built". She did not hear God's command directly when He spoke it to Adam. So how did she know?
1. God told her directly--later.
2. Adam told her, repeating God's command accurately.
3. Adam told her but he embellished God's command.
Further, in Gen. 3:6, Adam was standing there "with her" watching the whole exchange between Eve and the serpent. He did nothing to rescue her or the situation.
Of course, none of these options changed the fact that she embellished the scripture or Eve's statement "I was deceived" but it is interesting to me that there is more to the story.
As for "Nevertheless we also need to be careful not to be deceived...", how do you do that? What does deceive mean?
Deceive: to persuade someone that something false is the truth, or to keep the truth hidden from someone for your own advantage.
This is what happened to Eve. "Someone" persuaded her that something false was the truth. So again, "
Nevertheless we also need to be careful not to be deceived." Here's what Jesse Penn-Lewis says about that: "
If you don't know the truth of a matter, don't form an opinion until you do know." I would add, don't speak with authority as though you know the truth of a matter when you don't...this is truly deceptive...you being deceived and deceiving others. This is good advice. Find out the truth before you opine about a topic. Or, discuss the matters which are taught as truths. Further, when you believe something that is not true, you don't do it on purpose. i.e., if you're deceived, you don't know it. If you consciously believe a lie, you are no longer deceived. At least, that's what I think. Aron might have some thoughts on this :-) !
We are all on this forum because we were deceived by the Serpent. We may not always express ourselves in the best manner possible, so we try to develop a thick skin and give each other the benefit of the doubt. But mostly, we desire to know the truth, which is the
only antidote for deception.
Nell
PS: I hope you won't go away. You are valued as a forum member. Please forgive us for roughing you up a bit.