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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!
Well, are we treating the TOTKOG&E as if it was a completely good thing? I hope not! There was a reason God told them not to eat of it, that is, it wasn't just some sort of test to see if they would obey or fail. God said in eating of it they would die. There was something He wanted them not to eat and this was pointed out clearly to them. And the enemy knew it would cause problems, so he wanted them to eat it.
Also, it was food --> that is, it gets into a person. It is one of the many things man can eat and take into his being which becomes part of him. Food is all over the Bible: eat the lamb; Jesus is the bread of life, the living water, "If you don't drink My blood & eat My flesh, you have no life in you," etc. So why food? It shows it is something man takes in that becomes part of his make-up, just like physical food is assimilated into, and becomes part of, our bodies.
So I get that there's an aspect of the shear disobedience that happened, but the fact that the disobedience resulted in something being eaten and assimilated needs to be accounted for too, right?
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Sons to Glory,
Yes. The TOTKOGAE is only described positively. Forbidden to touch does not always mean the forbidden thing is bad. And as Awoken and I have described, it often times means the thing is actually valuable. I know a forum is the worst place to decipher much of people, but it seems to me that you have a major block on this in dropping what Witness Lee falsely taught versus what Scripture actually says.
God said in eating of it, literally, "dying you shall die". The origins of this phrase are judicial (judgment) in nature, not having to do with the "taking in" of something. Sons to Glory - sins are actions, not an "element" that you take in. How did Adam and Eve die? Read the verses -
by being cut off from the tree of life so they would not live forever (i.e., die). Death was their punishment. The verses are clear. Death came from being cut off from the tree of life, not from eating something that was only ever described positively. The verses elsewhere are also clear: death is our wages for sin. That is what death is: our punishment from God for our sin, not something we "take in". In Romans the issue was the offense, the transgression, the one act, not something negative about what they ate.
It is not what goes in that defiles someone but what comes out.
Scripture repeatedly contradicts what you are saying.
Trapped