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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!
So the two links you provided go to pages with numerous citations. I looked at the top ones, and they don't appear to be peer reviewed studies, at least I don't see it mentioned.
And regarding black clients you've had who were taught to be careful, that doesn't prove widespread systemic racism in American police departments, does it? Look, no one is saying there's not racism out there among police, but if it was so overwhelmingly present, shouldn't it be easy to quantify and show? And I understand some of the difficulties in doing that, but to base a whole movement which seeks to turn everything upside-down based on anecdotal evidence and feelings is not prudent. And I think it's fine for police departments to closely review their practices, but things should be done based on real, solid measurements - not a bunch of emotional knee-jerk actions crying louder and louder for change for change's sake. (which is what Marxists and anarchists like to have, to then take advantage of the turmoil)
So here is a peer reviewed article that was in the National Academy of Science (NAS), so it is well pedigreed: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877
This paper caused a debate about the abstract article the authors wrote, and there were corrections made to that summary by the authors. Here's the NAS discussion about that correction: Correction Discussion And even though there was a correction about the paper's summary statement, what this correction article shows is that there hasn't been any clear, quantified, peer reviewed studies with solid empirical evidence that clearly demonstrates there is widespread, systemic racism in America's police departments.
So in fairness, there is no clear data showing there isn't this kind of racism, but there also isn't clear data showing there is! (the point being is it's not easy to demonstrate factually, otherwise it would have been done) Do we really want to get all in the tank then for "defunding the police" and completely turning everything inside-out over something that has no solid evidence? |
Ur right, its a shame that I dont have access to peer reviewed articles anymore. I’m going to have to ask for access to the database in my graduate school. Until then, I’ll have some more decent articles for you.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1
I think the real issue is you are based on logic, not emotion. I’m the opposite. When I hear stories of five year old African American kids’ dad’s in jail, and single moms are raising these kids, and overwhelmingly more Hispanics and African Americans in group homes, I have to stop and wonder why that is. In grad School, I studied the Chicago area, the further away you are from the city, the more suburbs, the more white privileged classes. The blacks are in downtown and they have no upward mobility (besides a few like Michael Jackson, Michael Jordon, Obama). They live in the ghettos because financially, they cant get out. their ancestors were poor to begin with, the schools there are not the best, higher dropout rates, lesser economic options (except for sports and if you have some sort of talent). It’s a generational vicious cycle. Due to being poor, they have to do criminal activites to get by, which lands them in jail and prison Plus, community respurces and mental health resources are few and unhelpful.Some juveniles have to resort to gangbanging to get by, which lands them in foster care. I had a group home black kid once tell me he wants so much to help his mother but he has a criminal record and have to make ends meet by being in a gang.
There’s a pattern and you cant ignore it. Aftican Americans make up a large proportion of the homeless and those below the poverty line, as well as jail sustem. They also happen to have more chances to contract covid due to living in poor crowded cities. Capitalism doesnt help them
My question to you is how do you go about helping these people with these societal barriers with just stats and quantifying variables? some of the funds that go to stopping and frisking should help these people seek employment and housing
But since you are into stats, take a look at this:
https://www.epi.org/blog/racial-disp...rowth-in-2019/
How do we change it?