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Old 11-11-2020, 08:48 AM   #229
Boxjobox
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Default Re: The Trinity Thread (To be a merged thread)

We have this prayer that Jesus taught us, and told us to pray in such a manner:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

So, “On earth as it is in heaven” should have us consider what’s what in heaven. Revelation is the most descriptive account we have, and in reading through that account, I fail to see anyone suggesting that God is triune. There is God, Jesus, 7 Spirits talked about, but angels, elders, creatures, multitudes, Jesus, nor God Himself refer to God as a trinity being. Indeed, Revelation starts out “ The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants things which must shortly take place”. God seems well defined in the introduction as the one who was and is and is to come. The 7 Spirits are before His throne, and Jesus is described as “the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” The relation between Jesus and God is well defined, and our part as the redeemed of Jesus is spelled out.

The heaven/earth relation, I would think would should be relayed to the churches. Yet, when I look at the messages to the 7 churches, Jesus never defines himself as God, or makes any reference to a trinity God. Jesus defines himself in a number of ways, including being the faithful and true witness and also as being the beginning of the creation of God. And in those messages, it should be apparent to the reader that God is the God of Jesus. So where does the message, the revelation from heaven convey that which is being portrayed on earth for the last 1500 years that Jesus is God and God is triune?
How do we get from praying as Jesus taught, to our Father in heaven, to a triune god theology on earth? Seems to me that truth should reign over myth. I recognize that 1500 years of trinity indoctrination is hard to shake off, but shouldn’t we return to the fundamental foundation of the church, the truth, the “ on earth as it is in heaven” and not try bend truth to a farcical trinity theology. If we care about God and Jesus, we really should thrust aside the myth and worship the God and Father of Jesus as Jesus taught. That kind of “recovered” church will not come about by 1500 year old decrees nor by the likes of WL/LSM.
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